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Where is my Torpedo NAGA?

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Qin Shi Huang
Doomheim
#1 - 2011-12-07 21:57:35 UTC
I'm sure there are many other threads discussing the NAGA, but I don't give a hoot. I just re-subscribed to fly a Torp NAGA and now the NAGA is a Hybrid gunboat - WTF!

I don't care about the theoretical role as a "sniping platform" - I have never been in a sniper fleet and I struggle to see how a long-range ****-poor DPS fleet will do as a tactical concept. I guess we need Pandemic Legion to get their heads out of thier collective assess and figure this out.

Crucible is a great release - it's a way in the right direction. Making the NAGA a gunboat is a result of 60+M SP Chars cracking the numbers on how they can use it. Not how it was intended - the NAGA was intended to be a poor mans choice (SP & ISK) to fight the Super-Cap spam.

My NAGA needs Torpedoes and my Hawk needs the 4th bonus.

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Majora Veneris
Doomheim
#2 - 2011-12-07 22:00:38 UTC
Looks like CCP trolled you.

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Jack bubu
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#3 - 2011-12-07 22:00:44 UTC
wait what i get to claim for the changes to the naga?

awesome :D
ACE McFACE
Dirt 'n' Glitter
Local Is Primary
#4 - 2011-12-07 22:01:29 UTC
Im not even going to reply with a suitable answer because its been said so many times in the other threads 'you dont give a hoot' about.

Now, more than ever, we need a dislike button.

Hana Lena
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2011-12-07 22:01:39 UTC
Patch Notes FTW?
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#6 - 2011-12-07 22:03:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Qin Shi Huang wrote:
I'm sure there are many other threads discussing the NAGA, but I don't give a hoot. I just re-subscribed to fly a Torp NAGA and now the NAGA is a Hybrid gunboat - WTF!

I don't care about the theoretical role as a "sniping platform" - I have never been in a sniper fleet and I struggle to see how a long-range ****-poor DPS fleet will do as a tactical concept. I guess we need Pandemic Legion to get their heads out of thier collective assess and figure this out.

Crucible is a great release - it's a way in the right direction. Making the NAGA a gunboat is a result of 60+M SP Chars cracking the numbers on how they can use it. Not how it was intended - the NAGA was intended to be a poor mans choice (SP & ISK) to fight the Super-Cap spam.

My NAGA needs Torpedoes and my Hawk needs the 4th bonus.


1: You re-subscribed to fly a ship that doesn't exist?
2: The Naga does very nice damage, at whatever range you choose to set up for.
3: Yes, Crucible is a great release.
4: You don't need 60+Mil SP to fly a Naga to it's full potential.
5: The primary role of the Naga is to be the fast moving muscle in a roaming gang, it's secondary role is an anti Super-Cap platform. It can perform both roles well as it is.
6: Caldari do not need another missle ship.

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Handsome Hussein
#7 - 2011-12-07 22:04:12 UTC
Qin Shi Huang wrote:
I just re-subscribed to fly a Torp NAGA

Ouch, should have done your research!

Leaves only the fresh scent of pine.

Qin Shi Huang
Doomheim
#8 - 2011-12-07 22:04:56 UTC
ACE McFACE wrote:
Im not even going to reply with a suitable answer because its been said so many times in the other threads 'you dont give a hoot' about.


I just re-subscribed because I read in EURO gamer that the NAGA was Torpedo armed. Why would I follow the release notes of a game that I basically left after Incarnage?

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#9 - 2011-12-07 22:06:34 UTC
Qin Shi Huang wrote:
ACE McFACE wrote:
Im not even going to reply with a suitable answer because its been said so many times in the other threads 'you dont give a hoot' about.


I just re-subscribed because I read in EURO gamer that the NAGA was Torpedo armed. Why would I follow the release notes of a game that I basically left after Incarnage?


To, I don't know, make an informed decision?

That's two bad decisions in one post, ...nice.

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Paragon Renegade
Sebiestor Tribe
#10 - 2011-12-07 22:10:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Paragon Renegade
Naga pleeze

The pie is a tautology

Ammzi
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#11 - 2011-12-07 22:11:35 UTC
Qin Shi Huang wrote:
ACE McFACE wrote:
Im not even going to reply with a suitable answer because its been said so many times in the other threads 'you dont give a hoot' about.


I just re-subscribed because I read in EURO gamer that the NAGA was Torpedo armed. Why would I follow the release notes of a game that I basically left after Incarnage?


Whahahahhahahahhaha ... well that's what you get for trusting EURO gamer.
*rolls eyes*
Komen
Capital Enrichment Services
#12 - 2011-12-07 22:13:42 UTC
Qin Shi Huang wrote:
ACE McFACE wrote:
Im not even going to reply with a suitable answer because its been said so many times in the other threads 'you dont give a hoot' about.


I just re-subscribed because I read in EURO gamer that the NAGA was Torpedo armed. Why would I follow the release notes of a game that I basically left after Incarnage?


Highlighted your mistake. Getting information from a second party source, that doesn't focus on Eve. it's been known for weeks before the update went live that the Naga would be a hybrid boat. Also, lol, resubscribing for ONE SHIP? :eve players:
ACE McFACE
Dirt 'n' Glitter
Local Is Primary
#13 - 2011-12-07 22:16:30 UTC
Qin Shi Huang wrote:
ACE McFACE wrote:
Im not even going to reply with a suitable answer because its been said so many times in the other threads 'you dont give a hoot' about.


I just re-subscribed because I read in EURO gamer that the NAGA was Torpedo armed. Why would I follow the release notes of a game that I basically left after Incarnage?

...

So your not going to read the patch notes for CCPs own game? I would assume they know whats going into thier game.

And if you dont read patch notes because of Incarna then your a fool, its not like the incarna patch notes said: WALKING IN STATIONS, ITERACT WITH YOUR FELLOW CAPSULEERS IN PLAYER OWNED ESTABLISHMENTS.

Now, more than ever, we need a dislike button.

Qin Shi Huang
Doomheim
#14 - 2011-12-07 22:23:33 UTC
Not a single reply tried to even remotely justify the hyprid NAGA. A few posts even attacked my source of information. Too funny.

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Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2011-12-07 22:32:20 UTC
Qin Shi Huang wrote:
Not a single reply tried to even remotely justify the hyprid NAGA. A few posts even attacked my source of information. Too funny.


I watched quite a few youtube vids of the Naga literally raping battleships with Torps. It was completely overpowered. While I was looking forward to using it for Torps I can see the justification for removing them. I would have, however, given it the option to at least use all the other missiles below Torps.

That being said...I was around when sniper fleets were popular and useful. With the changes to rails specifically and with the Naga I can see sniper fleets being useful again. I miss the days of sitting at 200km with rails and doling out damage. Granted it was never a LOT of damage but it was enough when you were the backup to the main close range fleet.

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KrakizBad
Section 8.
#16 - 2011-12-07 22:35:49 UTC
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
Qin Shi Huang wrote:
Not a single reply tried to even remotely justify the hyprid NAGA. A few posts even attacked my source of information. Too funny.


I watched quite a few youtube vids of the Naga literally raping battleships with Torps. It was completely overpowered. While I was looking forward to using it for Torps I can see the justification for removing them. I would have, however, given it the option to at least use all the other missiles below Torps.

That being said...I was around when sniper fleets were popular and useful. With the changes to rails specifically and with the Naga I can see sniper fleets being useful again. I miss the days of sitting at 200km with rails and doling out damage. Granted it was never a LOT of damage but it was enough when you were the backup to the main close range fleet.


Sniper fleets more than 150km from a target will never again be used except by idiots who don't know what a scan probe is.
Hana Lena
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2011-12-07 22:37:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Hana Lena
Qin Shi Huang wrote:
Not a single reply tried to even remotely justify the hyprid NAGA. A few posts even attacked my source of information. Too funny.



Okay let's try this then.

Dev one: we haven't made any missile ships In a while that's the Caldari thing right? Let's make the new battlecruiser a missile ship.

Dev two: Hey yeah that's a great idea.

Member of Team Gridlock: What dream world did you two just slip into? you want to make a new ship for large fleet fights use missiles? One the most server intense weapons systems we have?

Dev one: Oh Well then... Another hybrid platform it is.

Dev two: That was a really stupid idea man.
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#18 - 2011-12-07 22:42:37 UTC
OP - before you go again - your stuff....
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#19 - 2011-12-07 22:44:54 UTC
KrakizBad wrote:
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
Qin Shi Huang wrote:
Not a single reply tried to even remotely justify the hyprid NAGA. A few posts even attacked my source of information. Too funny.


I watched quite a few youtube vids of the Naga literally raping battleships with Torps. It was completely overpowered. While I was looking forward to using it for Torps I can see the justification for removing them. I would have, however, given it the option to at least use all the other missiles below Torps.

That being said...I was around when sniper fleets were popular and useful. With the changes to rails specifically and with the Naga I can see sniper fleets being useful again. I miss the days of sitting at 200km with rails and doling out damage. Granted it was never a LOT of damage but it was enough when you were the backup to the main close range fleet.


Sniper fleets more than 150km from a target will never again be used except by idiots who don't know what a scan probe is.


While this is true don't forget that at more moderate ranges large rails can use their higher damage shorter range ammo while all other ships are still needing to use their long range ammo... and still retain the ability to switch back and hit at extreme range when necessary.

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Qin Shi Huang
Doomheim
#20 - 2011-12-07 22:45:21 UTC
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
Qin Shi Huang wrote:
Not a single reply tried to even remotely justify the hyprid NAGA. A few posts even attacked my source of information. Too funny.


I watched quite a few youtube vids of the Naga literally raping battleships with Torps. It was completely overpowered. While I was looking forward to using it for Torps I can see the justification for removing them. I would have, however, given it the option to at least use all the other missiles below Torps.

That being said...I was around when sniper fleets were popular and useful. With the changes to rails specifically and with the Naga I can see sniper fleets being useful again. I miss the days of sitting at 200km with rails and doling out damage. Granted it was never a LOT of damage but it was enough when you were the backup to the main close range fleet.


Thank you. There is of course a way to balance a Torp NAGA - we/they just havn't figured it out yet.

I was not around when sniper fleets were popular and since i'm Caldari I have realized that the Caldari has not learned from history. My Cerberus is rusting away and my Scorpion is fitted with dual 1600mm RT so I can play a role in RR/BS fleets. Working as instended?

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