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Given the slope of the EVE learning curve, first time offenders of certain questionable yet not out-rightly aggressive acts in hi sec should be shown some leniency. As an example, the use of a 'Cetus' ECM Shockwave I currently causes instant destruction by CONCORD. For a first time user of this device, which can easily be mistaken as a purely defensive device, this is an obvious shock. The loss of one's ship, fit, and cargo is annoying enough, the loss of significant security status however is unwarranted. This is a clear over-reaction on the part of CONCORD.

For the more sadistic EVE players who prefer to respond to proposals like these with the usual derision - you might want to pause and realize that the more care-bear fodder floating around in the game, the more your piratical activities will net...

The burst ECM may be a special case and thus easy to patch, however I want to encourage an attitude shift on the part of CONCORD (and perhaps EVE devs?) in general. A 15-20 second warning for players who have not repeatedly committed the same type of aggression would be a respectable yet decisive way to handle unintended hi sec aggression.

There are a number of ways to implement with this issue but I propose that a field be added in each potentially aggressive device type per player that records the number of transgressions with the use of this type of device so that CONCORD can react based on a player's history. The degree of reaction can then be gauged appropriately.

Scuse' me?

This has to be the most utterly hillarious request I've seen yet.


First time offenders by CONCORD are quite funny and very light in comparsion to what you elude or imlpy.

My first time was more of an accident but I WAS WARNED prior to said action.

Your full of crap good sir...kindly take it to the bio room where it belongs.

Not supported.

*walks away laughing*

Well it'll be gratuitous when we can get one free gank per 10 hour hero

Your own fault, but still supported.

First offense should carry very little sec penalty, which get exponentially higher on subsequent offense in highsec. Penalty remains flat at initial small amount in lowsec.

My first experience with concord was when I tried to kill a mining ship of some sort with my thrasher. I thought I could kill it and get away before concord showed up. I was wrong on both counts. I'd been playing for maybe 24 hours at that point. And no, I have nothing constructive to say about this proposal.

I wouldn't object to the notion that "repeat offenders" should lose more sec status. It would mirror the way we treat real-life criminals.

That said, I do find it a little troubling that it's possible to draw concord without a warning. CCP has several times made changes in order to PREVENT people being surprised by aggression or GCC, and this is an instance that might warrant a look.

edit: it seems other people have had warnings when they fired AOE weapons. If that's the case, I have no sympathy for the OP.

Years ago I fired an AOE and immediately got blasted: obvious and reasonable. No complaints there. Here no damage of any kind was done.

Seems some people can't read - I received no warning and I've disabled no aggression popup windows. Multiple complaints:
- CONCORD over reacted to the use of a non-destructive device
- many hours worth of security standing lost in a first time "offence"

Unless you've disabled warnings, there should have been a warning. If things did, in fact, happen to you as you describe, then that's a bug; petition it. That said, since there is a warning, you should already be aware of the consequences when you activate the module, so no change or leniency is needed.

In-spite of his reputation...he had a valid point...an exponential increase with repeat offenses is a good idea.

But its like throwing a gas can in the preverible fire pit.


As for a "smaller penalty"


Bull####.


The penalty for first offense is praticaully nothing...easily resolved in a bit of level 4 missioning and most noobs don't even understand or feel the heat at that rate.

Your missing the point of my motive.

People do it these days without even complaniing all that much about sec ratings...that means they don't partiicllary care or have an easy solution...they go rat in some place without a great deal of concern or care.

Granted an exponetial incraese may accomplish nothing...but it does make people think twice about entering into that sort of career.

But even then... I do agree with your point...it won't really accomplish much.