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Stop shuffling the character portraits in the login screen!

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Thor Auriga
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2015-07-16 13:02:06 UTC
Have you ever logged out of your alt, logged back in to switch over to your main, and clicked on the wrong portrait, ending up logging in with your alt again?

Yes you have. Stupid you!

Well not really. It's the interface that's stupid, not you. It shuffles the character portraits, thus setting you a trap. Where you click is based on your memory, not the (now changed) user interface.

I understand that CCP's idea behind the shuffling is to present the characters in the order they were last accessed. This however is not how our brains work. Our brains want things to stay put, or alternatively, control their location themselves (as in much of the rest of the Eve interface).

Instead of shuffling the portraits, please present the characters in the order they were originally created, or alternatively, in the order of time spent logged online. Or even let the players shuffle the order themselves. Either is vastly better than the error-prone current situation.
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#2 - 2015-07-16 13:08:28 UTC
How about no it is stupid you, as in look where you click the character shuffle on the login has been with us for a long time.

I counter you ith I prefer it the way it is, it gives me a positive indicator of which character was the last one logged in and I prefer it that way.
FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#3 - 2015-07-16 13:31:50 UTC
"Stupid is as stupid does."

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

Elenahina
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2015-07-16 13:46:42 UTC
It's not like they're shuffling around at random and you have a dozen pictures to look at. They're always in order of last login time.

Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you. Also, iderno

Xe'Cara'eos
A Big Enough Lever
#5 - 2015-07-16 13:59:04 UTC
I wouldn't mind being able to order them as I want......

For posting an idea into F&I: come up with idea, try and think how people could abuse this, try to fix your idea - loop the process until you can't see how it could be abused, then post to the forums to let us figure out how to abuse it..... If your idea can be abused, it [u]WILL[/u] be.

Cidanel Afuran
Grant Village
#6 - 2015-07-16 15:39:56 UTC
Thor Auriga wrote:
Have you ever logged out of your alt, logged back in to switch over to your main, and clicked on the wrong portrait, ending up logging in with your alt again?


No. No I haven't. There are only three. It's not that hard.
Iain Cariaba
#7 - 2015-07-16 15:43:30 UTC
Thor Auriga wrote:
Have you ever logged out of your alt, logged back in to switch over to your main, and clicked on the wrong portrait, ending up logging in with your alt again?

Only when I wasn't paying attention to what I was doing.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#8 - 2015-07-16 15:59:27 UTC
Elenahina wrote:
It's not like they're shuffling around at random and you have a dozen pictures to look at. They're always in order of last login time.

Exactly this, how the op isn't used to it by now escapes me.
Thor Auriga
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2015-07-16 18:03:43 UTC
Donnachadh wrote:
How about no it is stupid you

TF Diomedes wrote:
"Stupid is as stupid does."

Cidanel Afuran wrote:
It's not that hard.

Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
how the op isn't used to it by now escapes me.


This is exactly the kind of thinking bad user interfaces are founded on.
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#10 - 2015-07-16 19:24:37 UTC
This is a great feature idea. 3 nights ago I logged out my alt and tried to log in my main. I got halfway through the scroll when it happened.... you guessed it.... hand cramp. All because of the stupid portrait swapping. I started rubbing my hand (with my other hand, not the cramped one) and as I was rubbing it my non cramped hand, well not my hand, but further up my arm - the bendy part between your wrist and your clavical - anyway that part knockd my fresh hot cup of coffee off my desk and onto my lap.

The pain was excruciating. As I jumped up from the hot steamy crotch pain my hand (the crampy one) cramped even more and I hit my thigh on the underside of my desk. The thigh pain caused me to spasm forward and I hit my forehead solidly on the shelf part of my computer desk. I was bleeding a good bit, but I ignored that. Focussing on my steaming shorts I started to pull them off.

I'm not sure if it was the hand cramp, the thigh knot, the bleeding head wound, the burning crotch or some combination of them, but I started to feel woozy. You know when you start to get woozy sometimes your brain sort of latches on to that last thought and just keeps going with it? Well mine was 'burning shorts - must take off' so as I was blacking out I was still struggling with getting my shorts off. I went down at that point.

What seemed like an instant was actually 5 minutes, but I came back into focus. There's my wife standing over me. I was lying by my computer desk my shorts around my ankles all soaked and coffee stained. My one leg pinned to my chest in pain. Blood sliding off my forehead (some had pooled in my eye socket while I was out so my left eye was soaked and everything was blurry (I though it odd that blood covering the lens of your eye doesn't burn or really give you much of a sensation at all).

She asked "Is your hand OK?"

That's when I noticed it was locked in a tight ball, an odd almost white color and shaking at a good pace.

"Not really, it's cramped pretty bad." I said.

So she said "Don't forget you said you were going to mow the lawn. Dinner will be ready in about an hour and a half, so you might want to get started on it soon"

Then she went back in the other room and watched a CSI episode she'd already seen 4 or 5 times. (How can that women watch the same episode so many times??)

So, that being said, I will give the fixed portrait locations a +1 and a big thumbs u.... my hand is still pretty cramped, so never mind.
Cidanel Afuran
Grant Village
#11 - 2015-07-16 19:47:38 UTC
Thor Auriga wrote:
This is exactly the kind of thinking bad user interfaces are founded on.


Wasting developer time because you can't bother to look at one of THREE massive portraits when logging in?

That's exactly the kind of thinking that wasted development time (that could be spent on more content for the game) is founded on

They show in the order you logged in. If you just logged off an alt, just don't click the first character, assuming it's a challenge for you to pay attention when logging in...
Kasia en Tilavine
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#12 - 2015-07-16 21:19:35 UTC
Serendipity Lost wrote:
3 nights ago.... my fresh hot cup of coffee


(I though it odd that blood covering the lens of your eye doesn't burn.


Then she went back in the other room and watched a CSI episode she'd already seen 4 or 5 times. (How can that women watch the same episode so many times??)


1: fake story, nobody would have a still scalding cup of coffee while they are logging off from a gaming session long enough to cramp your hand. You would have drank the coffee long before that or you wouldn't even be starting your session yet, hence no cramp. Mutually exclusive situations. Pick a better story mudblood.

2: blood evolved for more purposes than just circulating oxygen and nutrients around the body, it also delivers white blood cells to clean infections and stem cells to replace damaged tissue, hence the plasma it's based off of does not cause any adverse negative reactions to the body. That would defeat the purpose.

3: some people find catharsis in the tranquility of the familiar, and the repetition of the everyday routine. If they already know what's going to happen there is no stress. Much like mission running.

Also +1 to the idea that ccp could just let one dude spend 20 minutes a week working on it until it's done. Won't take that long. Won't hurt other projects. Might be nice to just drag and pin their locations. Meh.
Cidanel Afuran
Grant Village
#13 - 2015-07-16 21:40:56 UTC
Kasia en Tilavine wrote:

Also +1 to the idea that ccp could just let one dude spend 20 minutes a week working on it until it's done. Won't take that long. Won't hurt other projects. Might be nice to just drag and pin their locations. Meh.


It would hurt other projects by 20 minutes/week of lost time, assuming they do what you just said.
Spectre 666
Doomheim
#14 - 2015-07-17 00:16:31 UTC
would also prefer the remain positionally stable.

+1
Thor Auriga
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2015-07-17 05:11:49 UTC
Donnachadh wrote:
I counter you ith I prefer it the way it is, it gives me a positive indicator of which character was the last one logged in and I prefer it that way.


I can respect that.

Can you give me an example of a situation in which this positive indicator is useful though? In all honesty I can't think of one. I would think that for instance when you do your PI you'll want to log in on everyone of your characters, in which case knowing when they were last accessed is useful information. But even then it would be better to keep the portraits put and show that information as text.
Valkin Mordirc
#16 - 2015-07-17 05:28:50 UTC
Thor Auriga wrote:
Donnachadh wrote:
How about no it is stupid you

TF Diomedes wrote:
"Stupid is as stupid does."

Cidanel Afuran wrote:
It's not that hard.

Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
how the op isn't used to it by now escapes me.


This is exactly the kind of thinking bad user interfaces are founded on.




Quit the bullshit

People don't like your idea.


Don't be a prick about it
#DeleteTheWeak
Amarisen Gream
The.Kin.of.Jupiter
#17 - 2015-07-17 05:34:19 UTC
Seeing as MANY of the CCP groups sort of do their own side projects - many of which if players knew about, we would consider a waste of time (like all this ship skins that I love so much, other people hate them.)

Seeing as the OPs statement is both bad and horrible (calling people stupid, someone should pod him), I can see where you mere mortals would make such a mistake, thanks to the lack of an option to lock characters to their spot.

+1 from me for the option to lock characters positions.
-1 to the grumpy people who think CCP doesn't already waste time on side projects, or those who don't like an idea and consider it a waste of time.
Almost wish they would stop breathing, means more oxygen for those of us, who might not like something, but are not so stuck in our ways that we refuse any change to how something works.

As a side note - the OP might have been like me and only had one character per-account until this last Christmas, so the whole character shuffle isn't something they are used to.

"The Lord loosed upon them his fierce anger All of his fury and rage. He dispatched against them a band of Avenging Angels" - The Scriptures, Book II, Apocalypse 10:1

#NPCLivesMatter #Freetheboobs

Thor Auriga
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2015-07-17 06:30:14 UTC
Amarisen Gream wrote:
Seeing as MANY of the CCP groups sort of do their own side projects - many of which if players knew about, we would consider a waste of time (like all this ship skins that I love so much, other people hate them.)

Seeing as the OPs statement is both bad and horrible (calling people stupid, someone should pod him), I can see where you mere mortals would make such a mistake, thanks to the lack of an option to lock characters to their spot.

+1 from me for the option to lock characters positions.
-1 to the grumpy people who think CCP doesn't already waste time on side projects, or those who don't like an idea and consider it a waste of time.


Let me be clear. My intention was not to call anyone stupid, except the user interface. On the contrary I fail to see how calling people stupid would positively contribute to the common effort of making Eve better. I invite you to pod me for the misunderstanding and failed rhetoric.

Also thank you for being a voice of reason in this conversation in which participants seem to tend to think to be at some sort of command as to how CCP developers use their time and effort.
Amarisen Gream
The.Kin.of.Jupiter
#19 - 2015-07-17 09:13:52 UTC
No problem Thor -

I can see where a lot of people come from. Even a number of my ideas get shot down hard core. Most of the time I try to keep cool and only think about stomping their faces in with my boothill (boot to the head, na na). Sometimes I rant back at them -fracken Trolls.

As long as your term "stupid" was for the UI and not the people - I won't have to invite you to my home system to shoot you.

"The Lord loosed upon them his fierce anger All of his fury and rage. He dispatched against them a band of Avenging Angels" - The Scriptures, Book II, Apocalypse 10:1

#NPCLivesMatter #Freetheboobs

Angelica Dreamstar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2015-07-17 11:41:48 UTC
Thor Auriga wrote:
Have you ever logged out of your alt, logged back in to switch over to your main, and clicked on the wrong portrait, ending up logging in with your alt again?

Yes you have. Stupid you!

Well not really. It's the interface that's stupid, not you. It shuffles the character portraits, thus setting you a trap. Where you click is based on your memory, not the (now changed) user interface.

I understand that CCP's idea behind the shuffling is to present the characters in the order they were last accessed. This however is not how our brains work. Our brains want things to stay put, or alternatively, control their location themselves (as in much of the rest of the Eve interface).

Instead of shuffling the portraits, please present the characters in the order they were originally created, or alternatively, in the order of time spent logged online. Or even let the players shuffle the order themselves. Either is vastly better than the error-prone current situation.

No, it's you (and me) who are stupid. Because we can see where we should click. But automatic behaviour makes us click somewhere else. Don't blame the game, blame yourself. It's easily provable that it's our fault, because we simply aren't looking and blindly assuming it's where it always is. And that's just nuts.

No, sorry, it's us who are stupid and you hqve to accept that you could do much better, even if it's hard for you to understand. Stop blaming the world for your mistakes and pay attention to what you do instead.

That being said, not having them change position would still be nice, because there's no real reason why they should swap around. Your reasoning behind that, though, is not even silly.

bingo, his pig not being a goat doesn't make the pig wrong, just him an idiot for shouting at his pig "WHY ARENT YOU A GOAT!" (Source)

-- Ralph King-Griffin, about deranged people playing EVE ONLINE

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