EVE General Discussion

Right guys, thanks for the insight, but I'm off. Safe flying (for some! )

See, I knew you don't get EVE

You sir are basically what a lot of corps looking for believe it or not. And SP does not always (very rarely actually) proves out to a competent eve pilot by any stretch.

You will find lower sp characters in hands of players that will wax a much higher sp character in the hands of someone that really can't grasp the game.

As far as the match making, it will not really teach you much. Not in the sense of actually learning how to survive. Going from a controlled staged situation to a chaotic random one will frustrate the crap out of a pilot expecting they have now the knowledge to survive.

I think that is more of a unfair mechanic if introduced to the pilots trying to learn the game. there is so much wealth in knowledge flying around this game, it is a shame it is not taken advantage of.

Ima,

Please fill me in on what I am missing. Allow me to "get" EVE.

At the moment I am playing fruit ninja as its considerable more dynamic then EVE "PVP".

Lastly explain to me how Electronic Arts, Blizzard, Sony, Microsoft, and all the other companies, who have a higher over all player base are doing it wrong.

Just to poke my head back in with a quick snip...

Just because Blizzard and Sony are making mmos with huge playerbases, that doesn't mean they are doing it "right". That mentality is partly what has caused the degradation of the entire industry.

You can buy a cup of coffee at taco bell for .35 cents, but it tastes like ass and is made of radioactive muck. Meanwhile you are free to visit the small cafe down the street and partake in some of the finest roasts. They don't have a drive through, huge lines, and it is quiet inside for you to sit and enjoy. They have been in business longer than most of the fast food joints in town but aren't nearly as known as taco hell.. I'm also fairly certain that they have no interests in creating a drive through and changing their recipes to cater to the "muck suckers" down the street. They understand quality vs quantity.


"doing it right" is subjective.. but I prefer long standing quality over the big named trash available in most all markets.

As a confirmed coffee-aholic this is a good comparison. The coffee from most fast food joints does indeed taste like ass (or cardboard, or an ass made from cardboard) and their other products are generally equally as crap. The small coffee house makes a decent cup of coffee and usually has quality complementary products that improve the experience.

I don't think that it's necessarily a bad thing to be lowest on the food chain.
I'm a small fish obviously, but I will grow and become a bigger fish. I learned how to survive (most of the time) against other bigger and large fish, but I know all to well I'm not ready yet to encounter a bigger fish. But I will be someday.
That's what pushes me forward :) Of course that's just my opinion and experience, but I think the time (and effort!) everything needs also gives it all some kind of "value". It may not be easy, since there are many large fish here, but it's worth it - to me.

Not to put words in someone else's mouth, but this is why (and I think 90% of us on here would agree with me)

EVE is a niche game, it has survived for well over a decade because it is intentionally designed to be harsh, cruel and unforgiving. It attracts a type of person who enjoys risk, is slightly masochistic, and wants the thrill of not having guaranteed success, no matter what. That is the name EVE has made for itself, and that is why it is successful.

Now let's look at the 'average' MMO player (ie, those who now play WoW, SWTOR, Rune, etc). People in those games don't want risk, they want to be able to look up a strategy guide on how to beat the end game raids and faceroll them as fast as possible. The idea of permanent loss, or non-consensual PvP is a complete turnoff to the average MMO-er. Hell, look at PvP servers in any of those games, they are practically dead, and that's without the idea of permanent loss.

Those companies aren't 'doing it wrong', they are just catering to a more risk averse playerbase. To reach the kind of subscription numbers that other games have, EVE would have to introduce PvP arenas, set quests, grinding for skillpoints, instead of real time training, etc. Now what would that do to the core of what EVE is as a game?


* First, it would bring in an influx of risk-averse subscribers from other MMOs.

* Second, as CCP as a company listens to the spirit of the playerbase as a whole for new content, they would start to introduce more low-risk content, to cater to this growing crowd of players who don't want non-consensual PvP

* Third, this would cause even more non-risk taking players to join EVE, causing a cycle where the game slowly grows in subscribers, but continues to become safer and safer and safer.


That cycle would cause the vets who joined EVE specifically because of the environment described in my first paragraph to slowly leave. It would inherently change what EVE is as a game. Lower subscription numbers than MMOs run by other companies is an essential byproduct of the nature of the world in EVE.

When proposing ideas like this (matchmaking PvP) the biggest question we need to ask is "what precedent does this set for future changes?", and any risk-free or low-risk content added sets a precedent that is point-blank against the basic concept of what EVE is.

Don't ask "why does WoW have more subs than EVE?"

Ask "would I rather play WoW in space with 200k subs, or EVE as it stands, a harsh, cruel, and ultimately rewarding universe with 30k subs?"

Ima,


Very well written. Though your explanation to why you play EVE is still different from why I play EVE.

The topic in this thread was if implementing a matchmaking option, to train new players would be viable. I honestly do not think a matchmaking system would train new players in a way that would prepare them for the rest of the EVE population. I do have to say in my opinion something needs to be done or the continued cycle of 1-3 month EVE players will remain the standard. Again my opinion, I believe most old EVE vets want to continue the new player shuffle. It benefits them. It benefits them to a large extent in the area of PVP the most.

I disagree that every aspect of EVE is linked to PVP. I don't PVP, yet I still have fun, I still do the things I want to do. I may not be the normal average player in EVE, maybe something of an anomaly, pun intended. I would though PVP if it was changed to something resembling what the EVE advertisements promise. And after 2 years in the game I have a fair grasp into why it hasn't changed. Honestly it never has to and I will be happy. To each their own. This still doesn't change my reflection of PVP in EVE compared to the PVP I have experienced in many, many other games. Its inferiority stands as a fact, not an opinion. If EVE PVP was as great as EVE (lol) "Elite PVPers" think it is, then why have other gamers not flocked to EVE for the PVP experience.

CCP could expand its player base by making PVP more accessible to the new player. The old player will not allow that to happen. Matchmaking could solve some of this issue, maybe. I am not so sure it would, but am also not against seeing something like this implemented.

Cidinal,

This comment places EVE on a pedestal and pigeon holes every other MMO. Is it truly fair to state players of other MMO's only do this or that? Are you sure you can be the determining point of knowledge for all other MMO's specifically stereotyping the entire player base?

I enjoy a myriad of video games. I would like to share EVE with other gamers. In its current state most do not want to share the EVE experience. I would not mind changes to reflect an inclusion of new players. I would be just as disappointed if CCP decided to ruin their game as you would. But to hide EVE in a closet and say its perfect as it is please don't touch it seems sort of close minded to me.

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No offense to any ballplayers out there, heh heh..