Crime & Punishment

I thought it was you, I did have an alt cloaked up in position behind you, but RL got in the way, wife kept asking me to do stuff, such is life. Well CODE does have rather a lot of pilots in that system, I have to add the DPS of gank Catalysts into the equation, also the one time I had peace from the wife and I was going to go for your Proteus a Marmite fleet came into Niarja.

You did not strike a nerve, I prefer to be honest about it, station games are a bit meh, but its often a game to play when you are likely to be out-numbered. The guy with the two fleet stabbers was cool, he sussed out he was going to lose and de-aggressed in good time, I gave him my respect for his assessment and action. o7 to you, I am now back in 0.0, so hisec wars are unlikely now.

As for this thread: 2 major problems.

1. Telling us you're offering your 2 cents worth, then expatiating a $200 essay without a tl;dr is very disparaging, but I know a flash-flood of tears when I see one, because:

2. "Here's my opinion" and "the fact is" do not belong in an assertion together. One cancels the other out. If you have evidence of bullying going on, then I suggest you report the offender to CCP. Bullying is against the Terms of Service. Otherwise, if "you're a bully" is the best pejorative you can come up with.... well, actions speak louder than words, and guns speak very loudly. Get them out and do something. Otherwise, your whining = OP success. CODE always wins.

Feel free to join me in Stain, don't need a war dec! As for the CONCORD whoring comment, ganking is PvP in my opinion which you correctly point out on another thread, you should note that a large percentage of my CONCORD kills have me doing the majority of the damage, and you do know that the gankers can shoot people near them back before they blow up, so raspberry blown in your direction for being a hypocrite!

Yeah, I play a video game to retreat from real life that emulates real life.

Yeah.

Gankers steal ISK.
They speak about "content".
They absolutly have this right in this world.

Never forget that you have the same rights and the same tools than them.

You see the light now.
What was a problem is now a solution.
Kill them. Simply.

If it were simple greater people than you would have done so by now.

You see the light now?

It is lovely how so little changes overtime.

I dont understand what people think when bringing an argument to the table tho:

- EVE is a multiplayer said MMORPG sandbox style, while very little of it is geared towards RPG, even from Devs. The lore in EVE is very dismissive, restricted and restrictive as far as backstory goes, but it is still a MMORPG as far as its docs go. So it is much of a shot in the foot to say that exploding a ship is the same as killing someone in an FPS non persistent game. When you have a mmorpg, and specially EVE, things you have do not come back after you restart, do not cost play money you receive after you restart, and EVE is not about exploding ships. If you do have other things to do, the game cant be about only one thing and all the rest are there just to indulge you. Not even the devs have the balls to say that eve is about exploding ships only. There are a considerable work over industry and trading in Eve, and that is not just "because they can". While I dont use this as reason to make it so people can mine afk alone, I just dont see how you can say things like "eve is all about killing and destroying" and still want to be considered a reasonable and "non-dumbass" person.

- You can say whatever you want, people dont change when they are drunk, when they are alone and when they are hidden behind the anonimity of internet, not even when they are playing EVE or any other mmo. You might want to believe that you are not a psycho in real life when you are a psycho in EVE online, but you most definitely are. Im not saying everyone who does pvp or ill driven kills are disturbed, but the kind of joy in active search you have driven by motivations ranging from just random destruction of someone else's property for amusement to the joy of thinking you caused someone to suffer, they signs you are a disturbed individual, regardless of the conditions or means you use to fulfill that apetites. When you say that the joy of making people suffer for no other reason than pure amusement, or knowingly destroy things and people with the intent to make them miserable in the game has no relation with your mentality outside the game is the same as say that a pedofile in the internet is not a problem because he may be a sexually normal person in his real life. See the problem ?

- This question is as old as EVE online, and I had seen a documentary on Icelandic modern history from the time around EVE was developed and launched, so I have an idea what have inspired a lot in EVE online mechanics, and by now most people should have thought that this game is not for kids, not for casual gamers, and not for the majority of the people who start playing it. I dont really understand why ccp does not make this game to be popular, as it has the graphics, the mechanics, and the theme, all combined in a one of a kind experience, if it wasnt for the excessive power relinquished to players. On the other hand, the fact that I dont understand why ccp restricts the game for a smaller playerbase it could have, I dont really care. What i find amusing is that people discuss eve as if the game was for them, individually. More amusing is the fact that CCP allows it and enables those players by setting up ideal conditions for that.

- You must be really careful about using EVE online accounts as a correlation to eve online human players, and thus, numbers on what most players do taking into consideration what accounts do. I have currently 3 active accounts and I have had 11 concurrent active accounts at the peak of my "account having". Most of people multibox huge numbers for combat reasons, either to win or lose in mass, and therefore, from the numbers you can take that people in eve online stay when they lose ships and die, or most people engage in pvp frequently, but what data shows is that many ACCOUNTS do that, not many people. The "statistical stick man argument" is not an EVE thing, and has been around from ages, and always used to justify the lest honorable behaviors as being the "norm". As if when many people do one thing, that means you are ok to do it too.

But it is all fun and games, and EVE online for me is just a "single player game with a lot of people I can see playing". I never really got hold of why people go around losing things, being scamed, insulted, bullied, harassed, and still go talk to strangers in Jita or places of the likes, trusting someone will actually do something potentially damaging without the intent of causing damage. Pretty much how I live my real life, as I dont try to decept people saying I am not what I am ingame out of the game. I have my fun in real life the same way, seeing a lot of people preying on other people just to satisfy their sick needs.

I'm not a ganker, but I never suggested one form of PVP was more legit than another, just that a fight with you wouldn't be much of a fight. On that note, I can think of a few gankers who'd give me very good fights.

"Come to x if you want to fight" - well, my whole point was, you WERE in high, then left when I showed up. It was really cute. Anyway, don't conflate this with any desire to fight or have some kind of pissing match. I have plenty of targets where I am, it really is no loss for me. Anyway, I'm pretty sure that's a bingo for me.

Wut?

I'm sorry, but have you got the required qualifications and spent the required evaluation time with players to form this diagnosis? No? I thought not. Let me tell you something about EVE - it is a game. It is a game, despite your opinion, about blowing up spaceships, and everything else is there to accommodate the exploding of spaceships. It's amazing the sheer volume of different types of weaponry and combat ship compared to the volume of different types of hauler or barge, and the gear that helps them get their job done, is it not?

When you log into EVE, you're wasting time. There is nothing wrong with wasting time, especially when you have time to waste, but it is a waste of time to play a video game. Any time you invest into this game is, in fact, wasted from the outset. Which is why, when you're playing a game, you should try to enjoy it instead of treat it like a second job. Especially an MMO, because the servers won't be around forever, and one day, everything you've invested time into will be gone. It will no longer exist. Which is another reason why you are wasting time.

I make this point because literally the only real-life consequence for destroying someone's ship in this game is wasting their time, which they've already wasted to begin with. More to the point, however, the moment you undock, you've consented to PVP engagement. That is the very nature of EVE, and the sooner you grasp this, the sooner you'll stop concocting excuses for being crap and blaming your badness on everyone else's mental state, which you are not qualified to speak on. This tells me the only reason you are calling people 'psycho' is for some measure of prescriptive retaliation, which is essentially nothing more than a petty personal attack. It means nothing, and is against the forum rules. More importantly, as you may notice from comments above, no one is phased by your opinion of their mental state.

You want to have a real effect on your experience in EVE? Get your guns out and shoot the guys that shoot you. That is all.

For the record, psychopathy and sociopathy, two different things, are not diagnoses or disorders on their own, but comorbid conditions of other diagnoses or disorders. As a matter of fact, there isn't a human alive that doesn't display traits of psychopathy or sociopathy. We're all a little bit nuts to some degree, including you.

In fairness this game has kept me out of prison, so there's that.