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HighSec Ganking and Appropriate Punishment
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John E Normus
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#521 - 2015-07-31 01:37:03 UTC
Leto Thule wrote:
Killboards aren't a record of ALL types of pvp. They don't show ransoms, they don't show ships built, ore mined, items stolen, corps infiltrated, or many other types of PVP. It doesn't show sites explored, scams completed, recruits hired, or blueprints researched.it doesn't show ships saved from logistics. No LP gained.

You see the trend?

The human problem, as you are correct in pointing out, have come to value a pilot based on killboard stats. Therefore, more players focus on KB stats over making isk or content. The value is only as much as the player base makes it.



Bingo, love you long time!

Between Ignorance and Wisdom
Mephiztopheleze
Laphroaig Inc.
#522 - 2015-07-31 02:22:59 UTC
a hisec ganker loses their ship to CONCORD.

the punishment is appropriate.

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V1r4L B00sh
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#523 - 2015-07-31 05:43:17 UTC
If people didn't want to lose their ships in PvP, they shouldn't have played a game where PvP is unavoidable.

https://zkillboard.com/kill/48167885/

I don't even feel bad.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#524 - 2015-07-31 06:25:04 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Leto Thule wrote:

The human problem, as you are correct in pointing out, have come to value a pilot based on killboard stats.


He doesn't actually do that, though. It's merely the latest example of his hypocrisy. It's his attempt to devalue people who do a lot of activity on alts, such as most gankers.

Meanwhile, if he actually valued killboards even a fifth as much as he claims he does, he would bow down and worship TCE. But he's just a hypocrite trying to troll his betters.


Having you call me a hypocrite is a compliment, you last undocked 30th May, impressive...

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#525 - 2015-07-31 06:40:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
John E Normus wrote:
Leto Thule wrote:
Killboards aren't a record of ALL types of pvp. They don't show ransoms, they don't show ships built, ore mined, items stolen, corps infiltrated, or many other types of PVP. It doesn't show sites explored, scams completed, recruits hired, or blueprints researched.it doesn't show ships saved from logistics. No LP gained.

You see the trend?

The human problem, as you are correct in pointing out, have come to value a pilot based on killboard stats. Therefore, more players focus on KB stats over making isk or content. The value is only as much as the player base makes it.



Bingo, love you long time!



So you don't think going deeper into the kills looking at the fleet composition and working back the likely situation and fleet setup is worthwhile, actually yeah, because you don't have any value in doing that as you are a ganker, you are shooting things that don't fight back, case closed.

As for Leto, some of that other data can be obtained by observation, some by checking the net, people like to brag you know, it really depends what you want to do. Pretty obvious stuff to me, I am doing this at the moment to assess an area I want to move into, get to know who I am going to kill and what resources they are likely to have. Its called intelligence work by the way... I rather like doing it actually because its a challenge at times...

During my observation of War Akini, I noticed a number of very specific hits on certain traders, Miniluv certainly do it very well, but would you expect otherwise?

EDIT: Oh delicious, one of the people who criticised my use of the KB on a player for having no experience doing exactly the same to someone with a different opinion I should point out that this poster has actually the right to say that because he has an impressive killboard.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Crest Zah Donartal
Bluenose Corporation
#526 - 2015-07-31 10:29:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Crest Zah Donartal
Oh, how I hate them, all these
killers,
murderers,
scammers,
thieves,
awoxers,
spies,
traitors,
gankers,
wardeccers,
bumpers,
canflippers,
discounters,
PvPers,
PvEers,
competitors of all kinds,
Codies and their mining permit ...................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut....................................................................
but what would the game be without them?
how empty and desolate would New Eden be without them?
how boring would be the gameplay?
and much more important ...how would I fetch my daily shot of adrenaline, when EVE would degenerate into Ponypark?

Can you tell me?
Don Purple
Snuggle Society
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#527 - 2015-07-31 11:35:10 UTC
Is that you sky?

I am just here to snuggle and do spy stuff.
Crest Zah Donartal
Bluenose Corporation
#528 - 2015-07-31 12:19:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Crest Zah Donartal
My own....hell Nooooo!

It's our all space.

I just have a love-Hate relationship with it.Big smile

and...NO
John E Normus
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#529 - 2015-07-31 22:37:28 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
John E Normus wrote:
Leto Thule wrote:
Killboards aren't a record of ALL types of pvp. They don't show ransoms, they don't show ships built, ore mined, items stolen, corps infiltrated, or many other types of PVP. It doesn't show sites explored, scams completed, recruits hired, or blueprints researched.it doesn't show ships saved from logistics. No LP gained.

You see the trend?

The human problem, as you are correct in pointing out, have come to value a pilot based on killboard stats. Therefore, more players focus on KB stats over making isk or content. The value is only as much as the player base makes it.



Bingo, love you long time!



So you don't think going deeper into the kills looking at the fleet composition and working back the likely situation and fleet setup is worthwhile, actually yeah, because you don't have any value in doing that as you are a ganker, you are shooting things that don't fight back, case closed.


Killboards have a lot of useful data but don't provide a complete picture of a pilot. There are a lot of intangibles that a pilot might bring to our movement that make his killboard meaningless. 1337 peeveepee doesn't just happen in space big buddy.

Also, case closed? LolLolLol

Between Ignorance and Wisdom
Mag's
Azn Empire
#530 - 2015-08-01 00:04:36 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Having you call me a hypocrite is a compliment, you last undocked 30th May, impressive...
OK I read this, I kinda got this face in real life What? so I have to ask. What relevance has someone's RL time constraints, have to do with anything?

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#531 - 2015-08-01 09:42:19 UTC
Mag's wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Having you call me a hypocrite is a compliment, you last undocked 30th May, impressive...
OK I read this, I kinda got this face in real life What? so I have to ask. What relevance has someone's RL time constraints, have to do with anything?


I am talking about in game stuff, he is talking about RL constraints ask Kaarous not me, facepalm...

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Mag's
Azn Empire
#532 - 2015-08-01 11:40:25 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Mag's wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Having you call me a hypocrite is a compliment, you last undocked 30th May, impressive...
OK I read this, I kinda got this face in real life What? so I have to ask. What relevance has someone's RL time constraints, have to do with anything?


I am talking about in game stuff, he is talking about RL constraints ask Kaarous not me, facepalm...
Actually you were talking about out of game stuff and using it to make judgements.

But If you don't wish to answer, that's fine. Big smile

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#533 - 2015-08-01 13:09:08 UTC
Mag's wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Mag's wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Having you call me a hypocrite is a compliment, you last undocked 30th May, impressive...
OK I read this, I kinda got this face in real life What? so I have to ask. What relevance has someone's RL time constraints, have to do with anything?


I am talking about in game stuff, he is talking about RL constraints ask Kaarous not me, facepalm...
Actually you were talking about out of game stuff and using it to make judgements.

But If you don't wish to answer, that's fine. Big smile


Again you are confused, I am talking about a killboard that was created by in game activity, nothing about RL stuff.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Mag's
Azn Empire
#534 - 2015-08-02 15:12:18 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Mag's wrote:
Actually you were talking about out of game stuff and using it to make judgements.

But If you don't wish to answer, that's fine. Big smile


Again you are confused, I am talking about a killboard that was created by in game activity, nothing about RL stuff.
I'm confused you say?

Using game data ≠ in game.
Killboards are a meta tool, based out of game on private servers. Just because they use data from the game, doesn't mean they are in that game. You didn't know this?
Then after being ask why you mention it, fail to explain the relevance of someone's RL time constraints.

Indeed I am confused, you're literally making no sense at this point.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Kaely Tanniss
Black Lotus Society.
#535 - 2015-08-05 03:00:35 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Leto Thule wrote:

The human problem, as you are correct in pointing out, have come to value a pilot based on killboard stats.


He doesn't actually do that, though. It's merely the latest example of his hypocrisy. It's his attempt to devalue people who do a lot of activity on alts, such as most gankers.

Meanwhile, if he actually valued killboards even a fifth as much as he claims he does, he would bow down and worship TCE. But he's just a hypocrite trying to troll his betters.


Having you call me a hypocrite is a compliment, you last undocked 30th May, impressive...


Hehehe..Dracvlad..when was the last time you were at war and managed to move yourself and your alt off of a station. Roll

I recall you station humping in Kaaput the entire time we were at war. So please....keep your 'leet criticism to yourself. Lol





If I had a nickel for every time someone said women don't play eve, I'd have a bag of nickels to whack the next person who said it..
Avvy
Doomheim
#536 - 2015-08-05 10:56:02 UTC
Silent Renegade wrote:

The simple fact is CODE and similar HighSec Space Gankers are just low-life bullies; no better and no different to the low-life that creates a false account on Face Book to bully someone online from their school or work place.



Really?

Have you ever thought that it could be the way high-sec is set up?

The problem I see is that you have NPC corps that can't be wardec'd and you have no way to engage those players in PvP without resorting to less favourable tactics.

So does CCP want high-sec to be PvE only, if that is the case then they should do it. Otherwise they should improve the PvP mechanics in high-sec.

If CODE and those like CODE didn't do what they do then NPC corps would be completely free of any type of combat PvP.

Maybe a better way would be that all players start in an NPC corp that can't be wardec'd and after a month or two get transferred to an NPC corp that can be wardec'd.
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#537 - 2015-08-05 13:51:48 UTC
Avvy wrote:
Silent Renegade wrote:

The simple fact is CODE and similar HighSec Space Gankers are just low-life bullies; no better and no different to the low-life that creates a false account on Face Book to bully someone online from their school or work place.



Really?

Have you ever thought that it could be the way high-sec is set up?


Nah, it can't be that because I don't like what those horrid gankers do, which is all the proof you need that they're bullies, etc. Roll

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
Kooshti
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#538 - 2015-08-05 14:19:59 UTC
sometimes i wish lizard squad would do something relevant like ddos concord
Avvy
Doomheim
#539 - 2015-08-05 15:00:26 UTC
admiral root wrote:
Avvy wrote:
Silent Renegade wrote:

The simple fact is CODE and similar HighSec Space Gankers are just low-life bullies; no better and no different to the low-life that creates a false account on Face Book to bully someone online from their school or work place.



Really?

Have you ever thought that it could be the way high-sec is set up?


Nah, it can't be that because I don't like what those horrid gankers do, which is all the proof you need that they're bullies, etc. Roll



Really? Wasn't a real question, it was me being sarcastic.

The second question you quoted was for real.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#540 - 2015-08-05 20:46:06 UTC
Kaely Tanniss wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Leto Thule wrote:

The human problem, as you are correct in pointing out, have come to value a pilot based on killboard stats.


He doesn't actually do that, though. It's merely the latest example of his hypocrisy. It's his attempt to devalue people who do a lot of activity on alts, such as most gankers.

Meanwhile, if he actually valued killboards even a fifth as much as he claims he does, he would bow down and worship TCE. But he's just a hypocrite trying to troll his betters.


Having you call me a hypocrite is a compliment, you last undocked 30th May, impressive...


Hehehe..Dracvlad..when was the last time you were at war and managed to move yourself and your alt off of a station. Roll

I recall you station humping in Kaaput the entire time we were at war. So please....keep your 'leet criticism to yourself. Lol



Well that was funny, one of your guys went for it and ended up dis-engaging and docking in 10% armour, I made a mistake with my drones, forgot they were not grouped, so only one in space doh... After that one person just sat 250 km plus away from the station in a Proteus. So if I was so bad why didn't he come closer? That being said CODE war decc'd me after Marmite did, if that had not been the case I would have been a lot more aggressive. I said GF to the CODE person who gave me that fight and I respected him, that's good enough for me.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp