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HighSec Ganking and Appropriate Punishment

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Globby
Never Ignorant Gettin' Goals Accomplished
Gimme Da Loot
#481 - 2015-07-27 19:18:13 UTC
Dracvlad, if you web your freighter you expose yourself to bumps for less than three seconds. It is impossible to be bumped in that time by a Macharial on a gate.

The only time you would die is if you were suicide pointed by someone, and then bumped, which as a tally is less than 1% of our kills of all freighters total.

99% safety isn't enough for you I guess.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#482 - 2015-07-27 19:41:04 UTC
Globby wrote:
Dracvlad, if you web your freighter you expose yourself to bumps for less than three seconds. It is impossible to be bumped in that time by a Macharial on a gate.

The only time you would die is if you were suicide pointed by someone, and then bumped, which as a tally is less than 1% of our kills of all freighters total.

99% safety isn't enough for you I guess.


Its not less than three seconds, its more, when I do it I get it into warp as soon as it hits quarter speed.I get to about 6 seconds from uncloaking until in warp, 5 seconds if perfect. And yes it is very difficult to get caught with those times, and I am using a Loki with twin faction webs.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Siegfried Cohenberg
Cohenberg's Ethical Hauling
Freighter Friends
#483 - 2015-07-27 20:45:16 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Globby wrote:
Dracvlad, if you web your freighter you expose yourself to bumps for less than three seconds. It is impossible to be bumped in that time by a Macharial on a gate.

The only time you would die is if you were suicide pointed by someone, and then bumped, which as a tally is less than 1% of our kills of all freighters total.

99% safety isn't enough for you I guess.


Its not less than three seconds, its more, when I do it I get it into warp as soon as it hits quarter speed.I get to about 6 seconds from uncloaking until in warp, 5 seconds if perfect. And yes it is very difficult to get caught with those times, and I am using a Loki with twin faction webs.




I can get 3 tick webs with a t1 frigate. Maybe you're slow.
Sarah Flynt
Red Cross Mercenaries
Silent Infinity
#484 - 2015-07-27 21:30:01 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Globby wrote:
Dracvlad, if you web your freighter you expose yourself to bumps for less than three seconds. It is impossible to be bumped in that time by a Macharial on a gate.

The only time you would die is if you were suicide pointed by someone, and then bumped, which as a tally is less than 1% of our kills of all freighters total.

99% safety isn't enough for you I guess.


Its not less than three seconds, its more, when I do it I get it into warp as soon as it hits quarter speed.I get to about 6 seconds from uncloaking until in warp, 5 seconds if perfect. And yes it is very difficult to get caught with those times, and I am using a Loki with twin faction webs.


Fit Inertial Stabilizers to have it instantly warp without waiting for 25% speed. Tank is useless anyway these days.

Sick of High-Sec gankers? Join the public channel Anti-ganking and the dedicated intel channel Gank-Intel !

Alana Charen-Teng
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#485 - 2015-07-28 05:33:23 UTC
Confirming that the New Order is awesome and victorious!!!
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#486 - 2015-07-28 05:46:14 UTC
Sarah Flynt wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Globby wrote:
Dracvlad, if you web your freighter you expose yourself to bumps for less than three seconds. It is impossible to be bumped in that time by a Macharial on a gate.

The only time you would die is if you were suicide pointed by someone, and then bumped, which as a tally is less than 1% of our kills of all freighters total.

99% safety isn't enough for you I guess.


Its not less than three seconds, its more, when I do it I get it into warp as soon as it hits quarter speed.I get to about 6 seconds from uncloaking until in warp, 5 seconds if perfect. And yes it is very difficult to get caught with those times, and I am using a Loki with twin faction webs.


Fit Inertial Stabilizers to have it instantly warp without waiting for 25% speed. Tank is useless anyway these days.


And you are correct, I have three bulkheads on the Charon, I was wondering if the Gankers would suss it out, but they just threw an insult which made them look silly while you one of the Anti-Gankers sussed it out completely.

Talking about skill, getting it out in 5 seconds with three bulkheads was actually very very good, but they could not bring themselves to acknowledge that and that was funny...

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Sarah Flynt
Red Cross Mercenaries
Silent Infinity
#487 - 2015-07-28 13:07:55 UTC
Globby wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
No you haven't, you've literally just said it. And according to miniluv they are self-funded. The proof is in your actions, if you weren't making any isk, you'd not be doing lol ganks on empty ships.

You still don't know where miniluv gets it's money I see. Ask Warr Akini about his 12 ratting carriers in Deklein please. Ask him how he funds miniluv by himself.
Globby wrote:
Like as an example, you said miniluv was self funded and you touted that as a victory. Yes, it's self funded, by Warr Akini because he rats six hours a day on twelve accounts to fund us.

versus

Warr Akini wrote:
But, in sheer numbers killed and in its self-sufficiency, Miniluv has created a model and a success that is unparalleled (and now being employed by our friends in CODE).

[...]

Please point me to an organization that can achieve such mayhem in a single month in EVE and remain financially stable (did you know that Miniluv is entirely self-sufficient even though it has the highest asset turnover of any other group in the Imperium?)
Arrendis wrote:
What's next for the Ministry he established and guided has yet to be seen. It may well endure and hold to the tradition of being a massive, efficient, self-financing organization that lines the pockets of its pilots with ill-gotten gains.

Emphasis is mine. The latter quotes are taken from Warr Akini's recent self-adulation speeches: https://www.themittani.com/news/fires-warr-burn-out-warr-akini

I'll leave the conclusion to the educated reader.

Sick of High-Sec gankers? Join the public channel Anti-ganking and the dedicated intel channel Gank-Intel !

Globby
Never Ignorant Gettin' Goals Accomplished
Gimme Da Loot
#488 - 2015-07-28 14:11:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Globby
Warr Akini wrote:
But, in sheer numbers killed and in its self-sufficiency, Miniluv has created a model and a success that is unparalleled (and now being employed by our friends in CODE).
Please point me to an organization that can achieve such mayhem in a single month in EVE and remain financially stable (did you know that Miniluv is entirely self-sufficient even though it has the highest asset turnover of any other group in the Imperium?)
Arrendis wrote:
What's next for the Ministry he established and guided has yet to be seen. It may well endure and hold to the tradition of being a massive, efficient, self-financing organization that lines the pockets of its pilots with ill-gotten gains.

Sarah Flynt wrote:
Emphasis is mine. The latter quotes are taken from Warr Akini's recent self-adulation speeches:
I'll leave the conclusion to the educated reader.


Self-funded != profitable ganking.

There are a couple cases when profit is made:
-Jita chases, where we scan for the 10-20b+ freighters. This doesn't happen every day, in fact we'd be lucky to find a 20b+ freighter once a week. Of course this is going to be profitable because we're incredibly selective in our target acquisition. This is where a lot of our ganking profit comes from.
-Burn events. Having 50+ DPS in a fleet lets us use cheaper and cheaper ships but still get the same DPS, which makes our ganks more efficient. We also don't have anti-gankers the entire time, so we're able to scoop loot when they've given up and asleep, and when ganks are that cheap it's hard not to make a profit.

Standard fleets, the ones that make up 80%+ of freighter losses are not long term profitable.
McChicken Combo HalfMayo
The Happy Meal
#489 - 2015-07-28 15:05:11 UTC
In my support of the fight against bot aspirancy, I hereby request that The New Order conducts an investigation into the bot aspirant activities of Warr Akini. It is rumored that this particular pilot and his alts over-rat by an average of 6 hours a day! While nullsec itself is not within the purview of The New Order, in this case we have clear evidence that the proceeds made from this absurdity are being used to conduct business in highsec.

Worse yet it appears the business conducted in highsec is of a highly nefarious nature. Onlookers have noted that Miniluv forces consistently allow AFK and bot aspirant freighter pilots to pass through unimpeded. Leaked memos from one Agent Globby suggest that their interest is in the selective targeting of profitable cargos. In other words, after 6 hours a day of AFK ratting, it's still all about the ISK. Typical carebears!

Save highsec; gank Warr Akini's ratting supers.

There are all our dominion

Gate camps: "Its like the lowsec watercooler, just with explosions and boose" - Ralph King-Griffin

Globby
Never Ignorant Gettin' Goals Accomplished
Gimme Da Loot
#490 - 2015-07-28 16:11:07 UTC
McChicken Combo HalfMayo wrote:
In my support of the fight against bot aspirancy, I hereby request that The New Order conducts an investigation into the bot aspirant activities of Warr Akini. It is rumored that this particular pilot and his alts over-rat by an average of 6 hours a day! While nullsec itself is not within the purview of The New Order, in this case we have clear evidence that the proceeds made from this absurdity are being used to conduct business in highsec.

Worse yet it appears the business conducted in highsec is of a highly nefarious nature. Onlookers have noted that Miniluv forces consistently allow AFK and bot aspirant freighter pilots to pass through unimpeded. Leaked memos from one Agent Globby suggest that their interest is in the selective targeting of profitable cargos. In other words, after 6 hours a day of AFK ratting, it's still all about the ISK. Typical carebears!

Save highsec; gank Warr Akini's ratting supers.


Send this to James 315, you will get his response.
Freya Sertan
Doomheim
#491 - 2015-07-28 16:52:35 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Freya Sertan wrote:
Words upon words of tripe unrelated to anything is valueless. Next time, pick a better strawman.


Big smileWhat?LolRoll

Come back when you have killed something in game...


I have. Many things, actually. You mean other players? Not on this toon.

New Eden isn't nice. It isn't friendly. It isn't very hospitiable. Good thing there are people here to shoot in the face.

Want to make New Eden a nice place? Try this out.

Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#492 - 2015-07-28 17:03:21 UTC
I haven't bothered to read the thread, however based on the title I'll provide the only answer that matters.

The punishment for unlawful aggression is loss of the ship you are flying under GCC and a reduction in security status. Working as intended, and doesn't need to be anything more.

If you get ganked, learn from it instead of crying. Apply said lesson. No more problems.

End.

Thunderdome ringmaster, Community Leader and Lord Inquisitor to the Court of Crime and Punishment

Noragen Neirfallas
Emotional Net Loss
#493 - 2015-07-28 17:08:57 UTC
Globby wrote:
McChicken Combo HalfMayo wrote:
In my support of the fight against bot aspirancy, I hereby request that The New Order conducts an investigation into the bot aspirant activities of Warr Akini. It is rumored that this particular pilot and his alts over-rat by an average of 6 hours a day! While nullsec itself is not within the purview of The New Order, in this case we have clear evidence that the proceeds made from this absurdity are being used to conduct business in highsec.

Worse yet it appears the business conducted in highsec is of a highly nefarious nature. Onlookers have noted that Miniluv forces consistently allow AFK and bot aspirant freighter pilots to pass through unimpeded. Leaked memos from one Agent Globby suggest that their interest is in the selective targeting of profitable cargos. In other words, after 6 hours a day of AFK ratting, it's still all about the ISK. Typical carebears!

Save highsec; gank Warr Akini's ratting supers.


Send this to James 315, you will get his response.

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Tengu Grib
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#494 - 2015-07-28 19:41:27 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Globby wrote:
Dracvlad, if you web your freighter you expose yourself to bumps for less than three seconds. It is impossible to be bumped in that time by a Macharial on a gate.

The only time you would die is if you were suicide pointed by someone, and then bumped, which as a tally is less than 1% of our kills of all freighters total.

99% safety isn't enough for you I guess.


Its not less than three seconds, its more, when I do it I get it into warp as soon as it hits quarter speed.I get to about 6 seconds from uncloaking until in warp, 5 seconds if perfect. And yes it is very difficult to get caught with those times, and I am using a Loki with twin faction webs.



Use a daredevil instead. Works way better.

Rabble Rabble Rabble

Praise James, Supreme Protector of High Sec.

Lady Areola Fappington
#495 - 2015-07-28 20:59:12 UTC
Globby wrote:

Self-funded != profitable ganking.

There are a couple cases when profit is made:
-Jita chases, where we scan for the 10-20b+ freighters. This doesn't happen every day, in fact we'd be lucky to find a 20b+ freighter once a week. Of course this is going to be profitable because we're incredibly selective in our target acquisition. This is where a lot of our ganking profit comes from.
-Burn events. Having 50+ DPS in a fleet lets us use cheaper and cheaper ships but still get the same DPS, which makes our ganks more efficient. We also don't have anti-gankers the entire time, so we're able to scoop loot when they've given up and asleep, and when ganks are that cheap it's hard not to make a profit.

Standard fleets, the ones that make up 80%+ of freighter losses are not long term profitable.



Allow me to relate this in a way the carebears can understand, Globby. I am the hisec whisperer, afterall.

Think of it like running missions, my bearish friends.

Ganking freighters for profit is like speedrunning level4s for ISK/LP. It's efficient as all get out, but it can get boring. Standard freighter ganking for CODE is like running a lvl 4, then stopping to salvage and loot all the drops. Sure, it's utterly inefficient, but it's a lot less boring than rushing lvl4s for ISK.

It's not fun waiting 30-45 minutes for a profitable freighter to wander by, just like it's not fun grinding missions highspeed for ISK.

7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided. --Eve New Player Guide

Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising
Goonswarm Federation
#496 - 2015-07-29 03:22:41 UTC
I am not a bad person, but I really enjoyed my several periods of hisec ganking. I have not enjoyed at all my several getting-ganked experiences, and did not enjoy the ransom scams that occurred when our fleets had targets bump-captured. I cannot imagine doing it long-term (yawn) but it does make for an interesting eve-diversion from time to time.

Having been away for a little while I'd never heard of CODE but looked them up and now understand that they're a recent miniluv knockoff copycat wannabe group. I gather from the OP that they're doing ok ... so will now have to keep an eye out for them as i fly expensive toys around hisec.

Irrespective of the type of ganking I found it to be technically demanding, gameplay savvy intensive, and a heckuvalot of fun. I flew either solo or with miniluv and even today find myself chuckling at memories of the mad scramble when a 15b isk 'whale' came onto the radar, or when we fail-ganked due to lack of numbers or poor fleet discipline. My solo laughable miner-gank attempts still see me cringing quietly.

Last night I saw a blinged-out BS get ganked near Uedama. FFS, he was autopiloting a very expensively fit ship (active tank elements no use at all when AP travelling) through notorious ganking systems.

IDK, I see nothing morally repugnant in eve ganking. It is just part of the game (like whining about ganking) and it adds an interesting additional dimension for players to engage in. Like every part of eve ganking has its counter, and that is mostly sensible game play. As the recent miniluv posting on TMC noted the numbers of whales has dropped markedly as players respond to ganking ... but they have not disappeared entirely.

I guess I am almost a 'vet' by now. Hopefully not too bitter and managing to help more than I hinder. I build and sell many things, including large collections of bookmarks.

Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#497 - 2015-07-29 06:17:12 UTC
Freya Sertan wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Freya Sertan wrote:
Words upon words of tripe unrelated to anything is valueless. Next time, pick a better strawman.


Big smileWhat?LolRoll

Come back when you have killed something in game...


I have. Many things, actually. You mean other players? Not on this toon.


Obligatory post with your main reply, ye gods another boring forum alt, who would have guessed it...

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#498 - 2015-07-29 06:25:37 UTC
Tengu Grib wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Globby wrote:
Dracvlad, if you web your freighter you expose yourself to bumps for less than three seconds. It is impossible to be bumped in that time by a Macharial on a gate.

The only time you would die is if you were suicide pointed by someone, and then bumped, which as a tally is less than 1% of our kills of all freighters total.

99% safety isn't enough for you I guess.


Its not less than three seconds, its more, when I do it I get it into warp as soon as it hits quarter speed.I get to about 6 seconds from uncloaking until in warp, 5 seconds if perfect. And yes it is very difficult to get caught with those times, and I am using a Loki with twin faction webs.



Use a daredevil instead. Works way better.


Yeah could do that, however I have now left hisec and am having fun again in 0.0

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Sarah Flynt
Red Cross Mercenaries
Silent Infinity
#499 - 2015-07-29 14:50:11 UTC
Globby wrote:
Self-funded != profitable ganking.

There are a couple cases when profit is made:
-Jita chases, where we scan for the 10-20b+ freighters. This doesn't happen every day, in fact we'd be lucky to find a 20b+ freighter once a week. Of course this is going to be profitable because we're incredibly selective in our target acquisition. This is where a lot of our ganking profit comes from.
-Burn events. Having 50+ DPS in a fleet lets us use cheaper and cheaper ships but still get the same DPS, which makes our ganks more efficient. We also don't have anti-gankers the entire time, so we're able to scoop loot when they've given up and asleep, and when ganks are that cheap it's hard not to make a profit.

Standard fleets, the ones that make up 80%+ of freighter losses are not long term profitable.

So you're claiming freighter ganking isn't profitable because of your terrible target selection. Yeah. Right. Makes total sense ...

Sick of High-Sec gankers? Join the public channel Anti-ganking and the dedicated intel channel Gank-Intel !

Freya Sertan
Doomheim
#500 - 2015-07-29 14:54:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Freya Sertan
Dracvlad wrote:
Freya Sertan wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Freya Sertan wrote:
Words upon words of tripe unrelated to anything is valueless. Next time, pick a better strawman.


Big smileWhat?LolRoll

Come back when you have killed something in game...


I have. Many things, actually. You mean other players? Not on this toon.


Obligatory post with your main reply, ye gods another boring forum alt, who would have guessed it...


This is my main you dunce. Ask anyone here in C&P, I've stated it many times.

New Eden isn't nice. It isn't friendly. It isn't very hospitiable. Good thing there are people here to shoot in the face.

Want to make New Eden a nice place? Try this out.