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HighSec Ganking and Appropriate Punishment
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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#461 - 2015-07-26 05:08:35 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Deleting facpo for starters. Faction police should not be attacking anyone not involved in faction warfare, period. Promoting conflict in ganking starts with allowing us outside of stations for more than thirty seconds.

Faction police are terrible period.

I'm pretty sure you'd see a massive decline in the popularity of large "Casual" highsec wardec alliances, and an approximate increase in faction warfare membership if these intensely annoying NPCs didn't exist to impede the crap out of efforts to do FW pvp in highsec.

I think it's one of that does FW and EVE in general a huge disservice, you have a mechanic that facilitates organized combat between willing participants in highsec? Better have annoying NPCs to make sure it's completely impractical to fight in highsec where it would actually be visible and help to generate interest in PVP for those newbies!

I honestly don't think anyone has anything nice to say about facpo. If they were suddenly gone forever I don't think anyone would miss them.


Honestly, I have to agree. I'd think it rather more palatable to remove them piece by piece rather than outright, but I too see no real reason for their existence.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

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Kairos Antilles
Doomheim
#462 - 2015-07-26 11:48:58 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:


Web your freighter.

....

The gankers can do precisely NOTHING against those things.


I would have to respectfully disagree with that particular one. Twisted
McChicken Combo HalfMayo
The Happy Meal
#463 - 2015-07-26 12:18:58 UTC  |  Edited by: McChicken Combo HalfMayo
Kairos Antilles wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:


Web your freighter.

....

The gankers can do precisely NOTHING against those things.


I would have to respectfully disagree with that particular one. Twisted

Are you talking about warp disrupting the freighter with an instalocker? I know you can hold down the freighter like that long enough to get a bump, but what would happen if both the webber and ganker activated their modules on the same tick?

If that's not the tactic you're talking about I'd love to know more. Never heard of a counter besides this one.

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Capt Starfox
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#464 - 2015-07-26 14:29:49 UTC
I have to agree with the above post. As a mach bumper webbed Freighters are the most difficult to catch; in fact, they are virtually impossible if done right by the webber/Freighter.

The only real counter I see to this is long point.

The other not very likely is just being lucky when the Freighter breaks gate cloak and the bumper happens to be within <5km to maybe get off a love-tap.

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admiral root
Red Galaxy
#465 - 2015-07-26 15:12:45 UTC
Black Pedro wrote:
Further ganking is pretty balanced. There are few things can be tweaked as always, but a person operating in highsec can be 99.9%+ safe from gankers with only a small amount of effort.


Personally, I think it's a sad state of affairs when > 99% safety is considered balanced. Sad

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#466 - 2015-07-27 06:51:32 UTC
admiral root wrote:
Black Pedro wrote:
Further ganking is pretty balanced. There are few things can be tweaked as always, but a person operating in highsec can be 99.9%+ safe from gankers with only a small amount of effort.


Personally, I think it's a sad state of affairs when > 99% safety is considered balanced. Sad


Hisec is not safe, stop being silly facepalm...

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

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admiral root
Red Galaxy
#467 - 2015-07-27 08:49:09 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
admiral root wrote:
Black Pedro wrote:
Further ganking is pretty balanced. There are few things can be tweaked as always, but a person operating in highsec can be 99.9%+ safe from gankers with only a small amount of effort.


Personally, I think it's a sad state of affairs when > 99% safety is considered balanced. Sad


Hisec is not safe, stop being silly facepalm...


It's 99.9% safe for me to move a freighter in highsec, but then I have a permit, follow the Code and use a rapier with dual webs Even if I were some weirdo without a permit and not following the Code, I'd still be 99.9% safe with the rapier.

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#468 - 2015-07-27 11:03:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
admiral root wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
admiral root wrote:
Black Pedro wrote:
Further ganking is pretty balanced. There are few things can be tweaked as always, but a person operating in highsec can be 99.9%+ safe from gankers with only a small amount of effort.


Personally, I think it's a sad state of affairs when > 99% safety is considered balanced. Sad


Hisec is not safe, stop being silly facepalm...


It's 99.9% safe for me to move a freighter in highsec, but then I have a permit, follow the Code and use a rapier with dual webs Even if I were some weirdo without a permit and not following the Code, I'd still be 99.9% safe with the rapier.


Nothing to do with the permit, you have a Imperium freighter blue list entry, so you are largely safe as its only really Goon linked entities doing freighter ganks, just every so often you will meet someone doing it for lols, so while you are safe, others are not on that blue list. So you are only speaking for the Imperium blue list, and being all smug and trying to say its something else is fail!

EDIT: My stuff gets moved by a friend who is on that blue list, he is 99.97% safe too.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Mag's
Azn Empire
#469 - 2015-07-27 13:37:41 UTC
My alt isn't on any list and I've yet to lose my freighter, or full cargo fit BR I've had for years.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#470 - 2015-07-27 13:41:13 UTC
Mag's wrote:
My alt isn't on any list and I've yet to lose my freighter, or full cargo fit BR I've had for years.


Shh Mag's, he needs to have an excuse, or he'll have to deal with the cognitive dissonance again. Why are you literally torturing him?

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#471 - 2015-07-27 13:43:40 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Mag's wrote:
My alt isn't on any list and I've yet to lose my freighter, or full cargo fit BR I've had for years.


Shh Mag's, he needs to have an excuse, or he'll have to deal with the cognitive dissonance again. Why are you literally torturing him?
I'm a psychopath, apparently. Oops

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#472 - 2015-07-27 13:45:23 UTC
Mag's wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Mag's wrote:
My alt isn't on any list and I've yet to lose my freighter, or full cargo fit BR I've had for years.


Shh Mag's, he needs to have an excuse, or he'll have to deal with the cognitive dissonance again. Why are you literally torturing him?
I'm a psychopath, apparently. Oops


Someone should really make a blog post about you.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#473 - 2015-07-27 13:48:40 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Mag's wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Mag's wrote:
My alt isn't on any list and I've yet to lose my freighter, or full cargo fit BR I've had for years.


Shh Mag's, he needs to have an excuse, or he'll have to deal with the cognitive dissonance again. Why are you literally torturing him?
I'm a psychopath, apparently. Oops


Someone should really make a blog post about you.
Ooh, now that would be nice. Big smile

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#474 - 2015-07-27 14:00:55 UTC
Mag's wrote:
My alt isn't on any list and I've yet to lose my freighter, or full cargo fit BR I've had for years.


Perhaps if you undock it?

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#475 - 2015-07-27 15:05:46 UTC
Mag's wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Mag's wrote:
My alt isn't on any list and I've yet to lose my freighter, or full cargo fit BR I've had for years.


Shh Mag's, he needs to have an excuse, or he'll have to deal with the cognitive dissonance again. Why are you literally torturing him?
I'm a psychopath, apparently. Oops
That's because you have a tea cosy, and you're not afraid to use it.

With reference to the so called bluelist, I'm pretty sure that it doesn't cover the out of corp hauling alts of a group that is loosely associated with Goons through common interests and is open to anyone, including enemies that they would happily shoot in the face if they weren't taking part in the same fleet.

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Mag's
Azn Empire
#476 - 2015-07-27 15:25:29 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Mag's wrote:
My alt isn't on any list and I've yet to lose my freighter, or full cargo fit BR I've had for years.


Perhaps if you undock it?
Well I'd have a hard time moving things in them, without doing so. I find it odd, you are unaware of that fact. What?

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#477 - 2015-07-27 17:38:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
Mag's wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Mag's wrote:
My alt isn't on any list and I've yet to lose my freighter, or full cargo fit BR I've had for years.


Perhaps if you undock it?
Well I'd have a hard time moving things in them, without doing so. I find it odd, you are unaware of that fact. What?


All you said is that you have yet to lose them and you have had them for years, you made no mention of your usage pattern, if you don't undock them then they are not at risk, so the simple question is how often do you use them, once a month, once a week, every day. Another key part of the data is whether you use it traversing the pipes.

You are making a point by using a one liner, and by your comments on various threads I cannot quite see you as someone who is hauling or mining a lot for example, so if you said that you had never lost a mining ship that would equally be irrelevant

My freighter gets used once every two weeks on average at this point in time and it does not normally go through the main pipes, I also web it when I use it, same for the Orca that is used once a week. Could I even compare myself to those people who move goods between Jita and Gallente space via Uedama for example who must make that trip once a day, are they 99.97% safe in what they are doing, no.

Imprecise statements are valueless, simple as that.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Freya Sertan
Doomheim
#478 - 2015-07-27 17:41:57 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Mag's wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Mag's wrote:
My alt isn't on any list and I've yet to lose my freighter, or full cargo fit BR I've had for years.


Perhaps if you undock it?
Well I'd have a hard time moving things in them, without doing so. I find it odd, you are unaware of that fact. What?


All you said is that you have yet to lose them and you have had them for years, you made no mention of your usage pattern, if you don't undock them then they are not at risk, so the simple question is how often do you use them, once a month, once a week, every day. Another key part of the data is whether you use it traversing the pipes.

You are making a point by using a one liner, and by your comments on various threads I cannot quite see you as someone who is hauling or mining a lot for example, so if you said that you had never lost a mining ship that would equally be irrelevant

My freighter gets used once every two weeks on average at this point in time and it does not normally go through the main pipes, I also web it when I use it, same for the Orca that is used once a week. Could I even compare myself to those people who move goods between Jita and Gallente space via Uedama for example who must make that trip once a day, are they 99.97% safe in what they are doing, no.

Imprecise statements are valueless, simple as that.


Words upon words of tripe unrelated to anything is valueless. Next time, pick a better strawman.

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Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#479 - 2015-07-27 17:47:42 UTC
Hello,
how can i join the Gank Party?
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#480 - 2015-07-27 18:10:50 UTC
Freya Sertan wrote:
Words upon words of tripe unrelated to anything is valueless. Next time, pick a better strawman.


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Come back when you have killed something in game...

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp