Crime & Punishment

Yeah, no argument it's a tough question, but still one I hope they find an answer to. I'd love for anti-gankers to be a relevant counter which gankers have to react to as it happens.

By the time the actual gankers appear its a little late to shoot them, and you can't shoot the bumpers and scouts because they are protected by concord because they are carebears themselves.

anchoring up and hitting f1 to broadcasts will never change in big fleets, all they are fixing is fleet warping which wont change the original anchoring mechanic

and the fleet warp affects everyone

Again it comes down to to effort and risk of doing so vs the reward. A bumper is going to be incredibly difficult to get a warp in on and take quite a bit gank and will drop next to nothing. That's simply not balanced well against how easy ganking industrial targets are and their rewarding loot. Both sides of the mechanic need to be reasonable, but they aren't. That's why there's no significant AGs.

Pot, meet kettle.

They've said multiple times they aim to get rid of a lot of that. It's why sov mechanics now require activity in the space, it's why structure grinding is going and it's why multiple systems get involved in sov takeovers, it's about splitting people out so that more people have to actually play the game.

Lol, now I want to see you instapop a macharial with a cheap frig or destroyer.

Mechanics in games are generally challenging and rewarding, and that reward doesn't have to be through items, it can be score, status, enjoyment, etc. Opposed mechanics tend to work similarly and be balanced, so people want to play both sides. The problem with ganking is that it's quite easy and rewards well most of the time through drops. Antiganking requires more effort, generally more isk investment per player and has no matching reward. There's no reason to be an anti-ganker. It's why most AGs are just people butthurt about being killed who have been tricked into thinking that wasting their time pod-expressing gankers is actually a form of retaliation. I'd love to see a real AG force, I just don;t see it happening with the current status quo.

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At the end of the day, no-one is safe. If your number is up, it is up. That's the ENTIRE nature of the game.

I love ganking mission swag boats.

I'm OK w/ ganking freighters (not OK w/ freighter beach ball mechanics - different subject though)

I think the dudes ganking pods on auto pilot are hillarious.

I think ganking mining noobs w/ cats is no skill garbage play.

2 of the above probably don't need adjustment. 2 of them probably do. The OPs silly demands are over the top and not even credible.

Like I said, with the current landscape of ganking, CODE. and Miniluv DO NOT PROFIT off of the ganks themselves over the long term. The reward per person per time is less than 100 mil per hour at best. I've literally said this to you three times and you haven't listened. I went through the math in a best case scenario and it's still less than 100 mil per hour, which is less than zero risk incursions.

Yes, 35 people in catalysts can kill a fully bulkheaded obelisk in a 0.5 system for roughly 350mil. Why shouldn't having more people give you an advantage? If you only had 15-20 people (the average CODE. fleet) you'd need some brutixes and taloses, bringing the price to well over 600mil. Killboard green/positive is a bad indicator when you aren't in a 1 person ganking situation, because more people should increase the capabilities and efficiencies of a group.

That's because AG sucks and has no idea what they're doing. We risk our bling fit macharials to bump all day and they rarely get ganked because of AG's incompetence, and freighters rarely web themselves because of their laziness. AG also shoots wrecks most of the time, bringing in ZERO profit during standard fleets.

But they haven't yet. Incursions have been mind-numbingly easy 150 mil per hour isk faucets since their introduction (used to be even better, lol.) No one makes a profit when ganking, at best we break even and it compliments our outside income that is fueling our ganking ships.

is this real life? you physically cannot bump with a negative 10 character, there is no other option even if we wanted to. sorry friend.
The only entitlement is people believing that CCP should make the game harder for us folk who are only able to prey on people who literally are greedy, lazy, or incompetent. Any 'good' group of players can literally ignore us, and easily take us on when we try and gank them.


Nothing stops AG from ganking our blinged out macharials that are risked every single time we want to bump freighters. They're easier and cheaper to gank, require far fewer people and are more 'killboard green' than freighters by far. There are strategies that would hurt CODE. so much, but AG doesn't do them because it's either too much effort for them or not worth it.


*note this applies to standard ganking fleets, not hyperdunking. hyperdunking has it's own weaknesses and challenges.

This right here.

There is absolutely nothing stopping antigankers from blowing up bumpy machs, scouts for miner ganks, neutral alt haulers for CODE ships. In fact, killing those ships would be one of the most effective ways of hitting the gankers back.

But, the anti-ganker types won't do it. They don't want to "risk their sec status". Now, just sit and think about that for a moment.

Sec status means nothing. It's a number in a database. It's based off of an arbitrary set of game mechanics designed by some Icelandic dudes. Knowing that, the anti-ganker types STILL make a value/morality judgement based on that number.

Their basing a morality judgement on a database number. Not activities. Not decisions a player makes. A database number.

I think that's kind of sad, in a way. I mean, if *I* ran a counter-ganking corp, the FIRST people I'd be looking to recruit are the ones willing to pull the trigger first, before CODE is ready to go. -10 and a killboard full of ganking scout alts, and CODE hauler alts? That dude would be worth his weight in gold. Sadly, he doesn't exist.

Why doesn't he exist? Because the "good guys" are making a values judgement based on an arbitrary database number, and pulling effective counter-gank operations would make that number go into the negative, making the "good guy" a "bad guy".

Just ponder that for a little bit. It's like saying "Hey, Jim is a horrible dude, he has negative rep with the Gallente."

and how much isk did you make from the 2 successes?