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Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#161 - 2015-07-16 22:40:36 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
Danika Princip wrote:
Which is not communication in the way I meant. Simple UI buttons will tell you who to shoot and who to rep, yes, but no more than that. A fleet with effective comms, an actual FC, and real interaction between it's members will smash the hell out of an identical fleet relying on broadcasts.

Use your thoughts before commenting. I know it's hard for you.


90% of your coms is just bla and repetitive warp warp warp, primary primary primary... a button system is the way to go, you want to guide fleets like in stoneage, cool keep doing it... nobody advanced enough to use a computer would want that though

you tell your kids 10 times what to do and they still don't listen or do not hear your voice because the are joking around, I just click a button and they know what to do, you are dead before you even could say primary a second time



Except for literally everyone who doesn't think this is a single player game.

Try switching primary using nothing but broadcasts. Now change alignment multiple times, hop to perches and tactical bookmarks, work out a logi anchor and co-ordinate with scouts and probers without any form of actual communication.

If pushing buttons is better than using words, why does anyone ever use voicecomms when we already have a fleet broadcast system?


you guys just like to talk and the existing broadcast system is not simple enough

Harry Forever vs. Goonswarm
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#162 - 2015-07-16 22:42:19 UTC
How can you simplify beyond having a button to target, rep, align and warp to?
Spectre 666
Doomheim
#163 - 2015-07-16 23:24:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Spectre 666
Harry Forever wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:
next you will be asking if we can make up the fleet numbers with programmed npc's Roll


actually thats not a bad idea, you could hire the npc with ISK, maybe 10m for one frigate 50m for a cruiser.. with this you could make it possible for solo gamers to be able to fight bigger groups however with a high risk of loosing a lot of isk... the cost needs to be thought through by the devs, but the ideas is cool


Harry, you have fallen victim to a fallacious argument. The fallacy is in the fact that Lan Wang attempts to divert the subject at hand by making an assertion you never said and attributing the argument you and then attaking her own fallacious argument rather than addressing the argument you actually stated.

You should respond that the argumentative form is invalid due to its inherent disassociation from the topic of discussion.
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#164 - 2015-07-16 23:43:28 UTC
Spectre 666 wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:
next you will be asking if we can make up the fleet numbers with programmed npc's Roll


actually thats not a bad idea, you could hire the npc with ISK, maybe 10m for one frigate 50m for a cruiser.. with this you could make it possible for solo gamers to be able to fight bigger groups however with a high risk of loosing a lot of isk... the cost needs to be thought through by the devs, but the ideas is cool


Harry, you have fallen victim to a fallacious argument. The fallacy is in the fact that Lan Wang attempts to divert the subject at hand by making an assertion you never said and attributing the argument you and then attaking her own fallacious argument rather than addressing the argument you actually stated.

You should respond that the argumentative form is invalid due to its inherent disassociation from the topic of discussion.


you look funny

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Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#165 - 2015-07-17 07:08:13 UTC
Spectre 666 wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:
next you will be asking if we can make up the fleet numbers with programmed npc's Roll


actually thats not a bad idea, you could hire the npc with ISK, maybe 10m for one frigate 50m for a cruiser.. with this you could make it possible for solo gamers to be able to fight bigger groups however with a high risk of loosing a lot of isk... the cost needs to be thought through by the devs, but the ideas is cool


Harry, you have fallen victim to a fallacious argument. The fallacy is in the fact that Lan Wang attempts to divert the subject at hand by making an assertion you never said and attributing the argument you and then attaking her own fallacious argument rather than addressing the argument you actually stated.

You should respond that the argumentative form is invalid due to its inherent disassociation from the topic of discussion.


if you would want to act this way, please do so.. never tell somebody else though what he should or should not do, people are making their own decisions

to make it possible to hire some npc to have a fleet would be cool

Harry Forever vs. Goonswarm
Captain Awkward
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#166 - 2015-07-17 09:58:50 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
you guys just like to talk and the existing broadcast system is not simple enough


You contradict yourself. How can a very simple 3 button broadcast system be not simple enough, if you yourself want to have 10 !! buttons to coorinate all the fleet actions. Jea 90% of fleet coms are primary primary and warp warp. We already have buttons for that. Its the rest 10% that make 99% of the difference that you cant put in "10 simple buttons".

A huge portion of the current EvE playerbase came to this game for the exact reason that it does not offer systems like you propose. It is a save haven of social grouping and player interaction. EvE is a game of complexity, coordiantion, planning and patience. The majority of EvE players likes it for that specific reason.

Mankind developed this thing call speach because it was way more effective then hand signals. And you come here to tell us that "modern people dont want to talk to each other and are tired of this social thing". Please go back to your cave.

People have explained to you in detail why your proposals are bad and why it would not work. Your only counter arguments are that they are not "advanced enough" to see your vision and that every FC is a narcissistic "dickhead" that only likes to hear his own voice.

This thread should be locked for trolling.
Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#167 - 2015-07-17 10:05:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Harry Forever
Captain Awkward wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
you guys just like to talk and the existing broadcast system is not simple enough


You contradict yourself. How can a very simple 3 button broadcast system be not simple enough, if you yourself want to have 10 !! buttons to coorinate all the fleet actions. Jea 90% of fleet coms are primary primary and warp warp. We already have buttons for that. Its the rest 10% that make 99% of the difference that you cant put in "10 simple buttons".

A huge portion of the current EvE playerbase came to this game for the exact reason that it does not offer systems like you propose. It is a save haven of social grouping and player interaction. EvE is a game of complexity, coordiantion, planning and patience. The majority of EvE players likes it for that specific reason.

Mankind developed this thing call speach because it was way more effective then hand signals. And you come here to tell us that "modern people dont want to talk to each other and are tired of this social thing". Please go back to your cave.

People have explained to you in detail why your proposals are bad and why it would not work. Your only counter arguments are that they are not "advanced enough" to see your vision and that every FC is a narcissistic "dickhead" that only likes to hear his own voice.

This thread should be locked for trolling.


its just you guys who use speech to say unimportant stuff, the game needs to limit your mouth and shut it down, use your brain more often instead then you soon understand where this is going

you guys want to write an "x" into a chatbox and manually add all players to a fleet, fine, you are from 1885... if you don't see the need for a fleeting-up tool then just because you are stupid... people like to use the tools from the time they life in, sorry for that

if you want to use sticks to fight go on using sticks

if common sense sounds like trolling to you, then you may want to contact a doctor fast

Harry Forever vs. Goonswarm
Captain Awkward
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#168 - 2015-07-17 10:21:18 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
Captain Awkward wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
you guys just like to talk and the existing broadcast system is not simple enough


You contradict yourself. How can a very simple 3 button broadcast system be not simple enough, if you yourself want to have 10 !! buttons to coorinate all the fleet actions. Jea 90% of fleet coms are primary primary and warp warp. We already have buttons for that. Its the rest 10% that make 99% of the difference that you cant put in "10 simple buttons".

A huge portion of the current EvE playerbase came to this game for the exact reason that it does not offer systems like you propose. It is a save haven of social grouping and player interaction. EvE is a game of complexity, coordiantion, planning and patience. The majority of EvE players likes it for that specific reason.

Mankind developed this thing call speach because it was way more effective then hand signals. And you come here to tell us that "modern people dont want to talk to each other and are tired of this social thing". Please go back to your cave.

People have explained to you in detail why your proposals are bad and why it would not work. Your only counter arguments are that they are not "advanced enough" to see your vision and that every FC is a narcissistic "dickhead" that only likes to hear his own voice.

This thread should be locked for trolling.


its just you guys who use speech to say unimportant stuff, the game needs to limit your mouth and shut it down, use your brain more often instead then you soon understand where this is going

you guys want to write an "x" into a chatbox and manually add all players to a fleet, fine, you are from 1885... if you don't see the need for a fleeting-up tool then just because you are stupid, people like to use the tools from the time they life in, sorry for that

if you want to use sticks to fight go on using sticks

if common sense sounds like trolling to you, then you may want to contact a doctor fast


The game allready HAS a fleet finder. We dont need to integrate something that is allready in the game.

And its not your random fleet finder that people are upsett about. Its your attitude of "I dont want to interact with other people. I realy like the idea of NPC friends" that is upsetting people. And you claim to speak for the masses against all the infidels, yet no one comes to support you.

You know, for insane people its usually everyone else that looks insane. Since everyone here seems to look crazy to you, that should get you thinking.
Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#169 - 2015-07-17 11:22:05 UTC
Captain Awkward wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
Captain Awkward wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
you guys just like to talk and the existing broadcast system is not simple enough


You contradict yourself. How can a very simple 3 button broadcast system be not simple enough, if you yourself want to have 10 !! buttons to coorinate all the fleet actions. Jea 90% of fleet coms are primary primary and warp warp. We already have buttons for that. Its the rest 10% that make 99% of the difference that you cant put in "10 simple buttons".

A huge portion of the current EvE playerbase came to this game for the exact reason that it does not offer systems like you propose. It is a save haven of social grouping and player interaction. EvE is a game of complexity, coordiantion, planning and patience. The majority of EvE players likes it for that specific reason.

Mankind developed this thing call speach because it was way more effective then hand signals. And you come here to tell us that "modern people dont want to talk to each other and are tired of this social thing". Please go back to your cave.

People have explained to you in detail why your proposals are bad and why it would not work. Your only counter arguments are that they are not "advanced enough" to see your vision and that every FC is a narcissistic "dickhead" that only likes to hear his own voice.

This thread should be locked for trolling.


its just you guys who use speech to say unimportant stuff, the game needs to limit your mouth and shut it down, use your brain more often instead then you soon understand where this is going

you guys want to write an "x" into a chatbox and manually add all players to a fleet, fine, you are from 1885... if you don't see the need for a fleeting-up tool then just because you are stupid, people like to use the tools from the time they life in, sorry for that

if you want to use sticks to fight go on using sticks

if common sense sounds like trolling to you, then you may want to contact a doctor fast


The game allready HAS a fleet finder. We dont need to integrate something that is allready in the game.

And its not your random fleet finder that people are upsett about. Its your attitude of "I dont want to interact with other people. I realy like the idea of NPC friends" that is upsetting people. And you claim to speak for the masses against all the infidels, yet no one comes to support you.

You know, for insane people its usually everyone else that looks insane. Since everyone here seems to look crazy to you, that should get you thinking.


nobody comments or supports because the masses do not care about forums or talking with you, sorry dude... you are just a handful of people who say no to every idea, you are just here to talk and to keep the threads going to assure poeple who understand it can work on the implementation, nobody would argue with you guys its not worth it.... and I only do it to keep the thread rolling to assure the important people see the idea....

Harry Forever vs. Goonswarm
Jeanne Tivianne
#170 - 2015-07-17 12:45:30 UTC
I can't believe this thread's not gone places yet.








Must be an off week for ISD.
Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#171 - 2015-07-17 13:18:51 UTC
Jeanne Tivianne wrote:
I can't believe this thread's not gone places yet.








Must be an off week for ISD.


can't believe you did not get banned yet, you keep spamming threads with dull comments missing any content

blocked

Harry Forever vs. Goonswarm
Jeanne Tivianne
#172 - 2015-07-17 13:47:50 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
Jeanne Tivianne wrote:
I can't believe this thread's not gone places yet.








Must be an off week for ISD.


can't believe you did not get banned yet, you keep spamming threads with dull comments missing any content

blocked


Oh no, whatever will I do now that Harry Forever blocked me?







Oh right, keep on posting and playing.
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
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ISD Alliance
#173 - 2015-07-17 18:33:05 UTC
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