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Is Providence comparable to highsec?

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Angelica Dreamstar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2015-07-15 13:43:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Angelica Dreamstar
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
[quote=Gyromite] I am not your #1 ship toaster? Cry

Please stay on topic.

You should yourself understand that people who do this don't care about the space itself. What you described is people caring about themselves (their income) more than about the local economy, which is bad. This has nothing to do with awareness, but ofc you can attempt to change it and see how that works out for you. It won't.

Anyhow... next point.

bingo, his pig not being a goat doesn't make the pig wrong, just him an idiot for shouting at his pig "WHY ARENT YOU A GOAT!" (Source)

-- Ralph King-Griffin, about deranged people playing EVE ONLINE
Cidanel Afuran
Grant Village
#22 - 2015-07-15 14:04:05 UTC
I'm trying real hard to see a point to this thread, but so far I haven't found one...
Angelica Dreamstar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2015-07-15 14:07:15 UTC
Cidanel Afuran wrote:
I'm trying real hard to see a point to this thread, but so far I haven't found one...

Then stop looking. If the amount of information Jen gave out doesn't hint you at something, then that's quite alright. I'm learning something from what she is sharing. If you don't, that's fine as well.

I need to rethink what I got provided and then I'll ask more.

bingo, his pig not being a goat doesn't make the pig wrong, just him an idiot for shouting at his pig "WHY ARENT YOU A GOAT!" (Source)

-- Ralph King-Griffin, about deranged people playing EVE ONLINE
Angelica Dreamstar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2015-07-15 14:08:23 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:
... "Not being aware" implies they would care, ....
Production done locally can be cheaper to produce and yield more profits with reduced risks.
Minerals / ores can be jump freighted from one station to the next without running through a ganker's gauntlet.
A wide net of intel protects a a lot of shipping and there is less chance of a random suddenly going from neutral to red.
The main problem is diversifying enough as demand for one item is not that high. You need a lot of blue prints to spin off a wide variety of copies. As a result, the profits can be slow to gain momentuum.

So, things can be sold at Jita prices with more long term profits.

Doesn't that mean you lack citizens?

bingo, his pig not being a goat doesn't make the pig wrong, just him an idiot for shouting at his pig "WHY ARENT YOU A GOAT!" (Source)

-- Ralph King-Griffin, about deranged people playing EVE ONLINE
Cidanel Afuran
Grant Village
#25 - 2015-07-15 14:12:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Cidanel Afuran
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:

Then stop looking. If the amount of information Jen gave out doesn't hint you at something, then that's quite alright. I'm learning something from what she is sharing. If you don't, that's fine as well.

I need to rethink what I got provided and then I'll ask more.


I don't need to read what was written. I used to live in Provi.

So let me ask more bluntly, what are you trying to get out of this thread? What does it even mean if something is 'like high sec'?

No null is comparable to high sec. High sec is for the risk averse PvPer who wants to do nothing but risk-free gank and risk-free war dec. Due to the simple mechanics of the game, null can't be comparable to high sec.
Alleja DeSan-na
La Rapida
#26 - 2015-07-15 14:18:31 UTC
Cidanel Afuran wrote:
What does it even mean if something is 'like high sec'?



Btw Provi is not 'like high sec', in any shape of it.

And as far as I have take a look around to other null sec regions, Provi is even not 'like other null sec'.

Provi is Provi. Angelica if you want to start to learn Provi, move your butt and come here.
Angelica Dreamstar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2015-07-15 14:18:39 UTC
Cidanel Afuran wrote:
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:

Then stop looking. If the amount of information Jen gave out doesn't hint you at something, then that's quite alright. I'm learning something from what she is sharing. If you don't, that's fine as well.

I need to rethink what I got provided and then I'll ask more.


I don't need to read what was written. I used to live in Provi.

So let me ask more bluntly, what are you trying to get out of this thread? What does it even mean if something is 'like high sec'?


I'm still having issues explaining that, tbh. The thread's point is obvious, but what I mean in regards to highsec obviously isn't. I don't know how to express it properly, as I don't have everything gathered and connected yet.

Let'snsay highsec works as empire, becausenthere's actual citizens doing their jobs for the empire, knowingly or not. There is a diversity of people, not conmected by a caretaker or common leader (goons/mittani for example) and there aren't rules set for citizens not to **** over other citizens (like goons again).

I guess a premature TLDR is that I wondered how close provi is to the empires, because of the diversity of people. There's people who can just move in, compared to goons where that's not possible. You have to be a part of the group, which kills dynamics.

Not sure that got it across, but I'm working on it.

bingo, his pig not being a goat doesn't make the pig wrong, just him an idiot for shouting at his pig "WHY ARENT YOU A GOAT!" (Source)

-- Ralph King-Griffin, about deranged people playing EVE ONLINE
Angelica Dreamstar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2015-07-15 14:24:33 UTC
Alleja DeSan-na wrote:
Cidanel Afuran wrote:
What does it even mean if something is 'like high sec'?



Btw Provi is not 'like high sec', in any shape of it.

And as far as I have take a look around to other null sec regions, Provi is even not 'like other null sec'.

Provi is Provi. Angelica if you want to start to learn Provi, move your butt and come here.

I rather stay where people are. Where there are proper dynamics and unforeseen interactions possible. I don't like nullsec mostly because people live on islands full of friends, while I rathernstay on an island full of strangers and thus more possibilities.

bingo, his pig not being a goat doesn't make the pig wrong, just him an idiot for shouting at his pig "WHY ARENT YOU A GOAT!" (Source)

-- Ralph King-Griffin, about deranged people playing EVE ONLINE
Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
Aideron Robotics.
#29 - 2015-07-15 14:26:07 UTC
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:


Not sure that got it across, but I'm working on it.


nope, still don't see your point, because honestly, nullsec is INcomparable with highsec. What?

Just Add Water
Angelica Dreamstar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2015-07-15 14:32:58 UTC
Nat Silverguard wrote:
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:


Not sure that got it across, but I'm working on it.


nope, still don't see your point, because honestly, nullsec is INcomparable with highsec. What?

Well maybe you should think a bit deeper than pure mechanics, but hey I didn't make this thread to explai myself. Jen picked it up and answers my questions, which is all that matters for the topic.

bingo, his pig not being a goat doesn't make the pig wrong, just him an idiot for shouting at his pig "WHY ARENT YOU A GOAT!" (Source)

-- Ralph King-Griffin, about deranged people playing EVE ONLINE
Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
Aideron Robotics.
#31 - 2015-07-15 14:42:44 UTC
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:
Nat Silverguard wrote:
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:


Not sure that got it across, but I'm working on it.


nope, still don't see your point, because honestly, nullsec is INcomparable with highsec. What?

Well maybe you should think a bit deeper than pure mechanics, but hey I didn't make this thread to explai myself. Jen picked it up and answers my questions, which is all that matters for the topic.


well, it's apparent that you don't realize that incomparability between those space are not only about mechanics. What?

Just Add Water
Alkany Bencosme
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#32 - 2015-07-15 14:43:13 UTC
I got a question and is why are you comparing Provi with Goon, isnt there more alliance to add?
Jenshae Chiroptera
#33 - 2015-07-15 14:44:42 UTC
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:
... I rather stay where people are. Where there are proper dynamics and unforeseen interactions possible. I don't like nullsec mostly because people live on islands full of friends, while I rathernstay on an island full of strangers and thus more possibilities.
Provi is an island of friends surrounded by islands of head hunting cannibals. P
High Sec is full of strangers because making friends wastes time, has little gain to running missions and because many have their hands tied by Concord. Sure, there are those who buck the system but High Sec for the volumes of peope is really quiet and boring. Also, what you do there is static, unchanging.

Where as you could be building to something bigger than your personal wallet.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Alleja DeSan-na
La Rapida
#34 - 2015-07-15 14:46:01 UTC
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:
Alleja DeSan-na wrote:
Cidanel Afuran wrote:
What does it even mean if something is 'like high sec'?



Btw Provi is not 'like high sec', in any shape of it.

And as far as I have take a look around to other null sec regions, Provi is even not 'like other null sec'.

Provi is Provi. Angelica if you want to start to learn Provi, move your butt and come here.

I rather stay where people are. Where there are proper dynamics and unforeseen interactions possible. I don't like nullsec mostly because people live on islands full of friends, while I rathernstay on an island full of strangers and thus more possibilities.


The topic is pointless.
How can you pretend to talk just teorically about dynamics that you even didn't taste on your own?

Arguing about a whole region dynamics taking into account only the fact that sometimes there is export of goods and some time there is not, look to me as a topic based on nothing, if not a bored person that today has nothing better to do than ask himself on angel's sex.

Told you: come and take a look. After you can talk about something more consistent.
Angelica Dreamstar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2015-07-15 14:46:05 UTC
Alkany Bencosme wrote:
I got a question and is why are you comparing Provi with Goon, isnt there more alliance to add?

Yes, but they're an easy example I had insight into. I wished I knew more about how others operate, but goons are a great example of the opposite of how provi works. At least in my context.

bingo, his pig not being a goat doesn't make the pig wrong, just him an idiot for shouting at his pig "WHY ARENT YOU A GOAT!" (Source)

-- Ralph King-Griffin, about deranged people playing EVE ONLINE
Angelica Dreamstar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2015-07-15 14:50:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Angelica Dreamstar
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:
... I rather stay where people are. Where there are proper dynamics and unforeseen interactions possible. I don't like nullsec mostly because people live on islands full of friends, while I rathernstay on an island full of strangers and thus more possibilities.
Provi is an island of friends surrounded by islands of head hunting cannibals. P
High Sec is full of strangers because making friends wastes time, has little gain to running missions and because many have their hands tied by Concord. Sure, there are those who buck the system but High Sec for the volumes of peope is really quiet and boring. Also, what you do there is static, unchanging.

Where as you could be building to something bigger than your personal wallet.

Nah. Highsec is like a metropolis. Lots of people only caring about their own thing with lots of content and interaction to create, because people don't know each other. Highsec is a place where you can literally form and lead sheep, see code. If you do not wish to make friends, that's your thing, but there's so many people one can start talking with and interacting with in various ways, that your idea of stagnancy does not apply at all.

The thing about the wallet I can apply to nullsec as well, btw.

bingo, his pig not being a goat doesn't make the pig wrong, just him an idiot for shouting at his pig "WHY ARENT YOU A GOAT!" (Source)

-- Ralph King-Griffin, about deranged people playing EVE ONLINE
Angelica Dreamstar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2015-07-15 14:55:30 UTC
Alleja DeSan-na wrote:
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:
Alleja DeSan-na wrote:
Cidanel Afuran wrote:
What does it even mean if something is 'like high sec'?



Btw Provi is not 'like high sec', in any shape of it.

And as far as I have take a look around to other null sec regions, Provi is even not 'like other null sec'.

Provi is Provi. Angelica if you want to start to learn Provi, move your butt and come here.

I rather stay where people are. Where there are proper dynamics and unforeseen interactions possible. I don't like nullsec mostly because people live on islands full of friends, while I rathernstay on an island full of strangers and thus more possibilities.


The topic is pointless.
How can you pretend to talk just teorically about dynamics that you even didn't taste on your own?

Arguing about a whole region dynamics taking into account only the fact that sometimes there is export of goods and some time there is not, look to me as a topic based on nothing, if not a bored person that today has nothing better to do than ask himself on angel's sex.

Told you: come and take a look. After you can talk about something more consistent.

I'd start stripping belts empty and shooting and bumping others for mining where I mine.
Then you'd kick me out of provi simply for trying to be better than the rest and playing the game.

Can do that in highsec, but not on an island full of friends.

bingo, his pig not being a goat doesn't make the pig wrong, just him an idiot for shouting at his pig "WHY ARENT YOU A GOAT!" (Source)

-- Ralph King-Griffin, about deranged people playing EVE ONLINE
Jenshae Chiroptera
#38 - 2015-07-15 15:04:18 UTC
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:
I'd start stripping belts empty and shooting and bumping others for mining where I mine..
There is such an abundance of belts and ore anomolies that there is no need to bump anyone.
The more you all mine, the more Colossal Ore Anomolies appear and more ore you can get.

You would probably find your talents best used in a border or travel system, where the risk of reds attacking is high.
(There are probably some Provi systems with no miners in them at all, so you could have all the belts and what ever anomolies you can get to spawn)

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Alleja DeSan-na
La Rapida
#39 - 2015-07-15 15:08:37 UTC
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:

I'd start stripping belts empty and shooting and bumping others for mining where I mine.
Then you'd kick me out of provi simply for trying to be better than the rest and playing the game.

Can do that in highsec, but not on an island full of friends.


You can do that in HS only becouse:
1) mechanics permit you to do that with low efforts
2) usually in HS ppl is not organized to contrast those kinds of things and prefer move than fight you.


But you can do that even in null, or even in Provi if you want.

What change is that you have to put in a lot more efforts than in HS if you want to try it.

And believe me. Ppl whould be glad to 'kick you out of balls' even in HS if only they stop himself and figure out how.


What are you looking for Angelica? Are you telling that Provi is "meh" becouse if you come and start bump miners someone could start to think to shoot you?
If you are looking for free empty belts, Provi has a lot of it.
If you are looking for some interaction, Provi has it too.

Depends on what you are looking (talking) about.

And a question for you now. What exactly you are looking for?
Kanzero
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#40 - 2015-07-15 15:14:19 UTC
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