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Continuation of the Discussion on the destroyed slave freighter
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Goldfinch
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#41 - 2015-07-13 17:39:25 UTC

Civ Kado wrote:
PFR was operating a covert operation with the sole purpose of rescuing a slave encampment which was located in CVA space. PFR was able to triangulate a ping from one of the slaves who was a citizen of sovereign PFR space. As such, a covert rescue mission was launched to bring back that person along with any other illegally apprehended persons who were ultimately bound to be sold as slaves.



Emphasis ours:
Silent Cyborg wrote:
Channel ID: 2137543127
Channel Name: CVA-Diplo
Listener: Silent Cyborg
Session started: 2015.07.11 20:29:15
[ 2015.07.11 21:05:51 ] Silent Cyborg > we are bringing slaves to D-GTMI




The DED kill of PFR's Fenrir is registered to occur on 2015.07.11 at 22:27.



Civ Kado, let it be known that you are a liar.

\J/

veiled and bound

my origin story (on eve-backstage)
Civ Kado
State War Academy
Caldari State
#42 - 2015-07-13 17:40:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Civ Kado
Liam Antolliere wrote:
Samira Kernher wrote:
It's a covert slave extraction now? PFR is having a really hard time keeping its story straight.



Never mind keeping their story straight...

Covert?

You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means.

Civ Kado wrote:
PFR was operating a covert.


We really need to have reading comprehension be part of the capsuleer licensing test, wouldn't you agree?

Goldfinch wrote:
Civ Kado, let it be known that you are a liar.


There is no need for rudeness and slander. Why don't you be a doll and let the grownups talk this out, eh?
Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#43 - 2015-07-13 18:10:35 UTC
Civ Kado wrote:
Why don't you be a doll and let the grownups talk this out, eh?


Accusing a trained lawyer of being infantile in her formal statements, and adding in a little sexism?

Interesting strategy, sir.
Vizage
Capital Allied Industrial Distribution
#44 - 2015-07-13 18:43:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Vizage
Mr. Kado, you've clearly been caught in an outright lie. Best you pack this one in, call it a loss and not risk further sullying yourself or the reputation of PFR.

-K
Sammie MacWinters
Gradient
Electus Matari
#45 - 2015-07-13 18:49:13 UTC
Please stop.
Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#46 - 2015-07-13 19:10:01 UTC
You know, I know an improv theater troupe from Syndicate that would be great for this one. I'll see if they're willing to do some light comedy of it all.

Popcorn, of course, will be provided for any attendee.

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Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2015-07-13 19:57:51 UTC
Makoto Priano wrote:
You know, I know an improv theater troupe from Syndicate that would be great for this one. I'll see if they're willing to do some light comedy of it all.

Popcorn, of course, will be provided for any attendee.


I'll come for the popcorn, perhaps some light heckling too...
Siddhar Gangari
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
#48 - 2015-07-13 20:12:01 UTC
Utari Onzo wrote:
May God have mercy on your souls for the blood of those slaves that is on your hands, not CVA's.


If you truly care so much for the lives of slaves, then release them into the custody of Ushra'Khan and facilitate the surrender of all systems currently occupied by the 24th Imperial Crusade to the Tribal Liberation Force. Otherwise do not bore us with your self-righteous indignation, slaver.
Utari Onzo
Escalated.
OnlyFleets.
#49 - 2015-07-13 20:23:31 UTC
Siddhar Gangari wrote:
Utari Onzo wrote:
May God have mercy on your souls for the blood of those slaves that is on your hands, not CVA's.


If you truly care so much for the lives of slaves, then release them into the custody of Ushra'Khan and facilitate the surrender of all systems currently occupied by the 24th Imperial Crusade to the Tribal Liberation Force. Otherwise do not bore us with your self-righteous indignation, slaver.



If you want the systems you can come claim them through our guns, terrorist.

"Face the enemy as a solid wall For faith is your armor And through it, the enemy will find no breach Wrap your arms around the enemy For faith is your fire And with it, burn away his evil"
Jev North
Doomheim
#50 - 2015-07-13 20:41:30 UTC
Seems like you're adapting pretty quickly to the local culture, pilot.

Even though our love is cruel; even though our stars are crossed.
Siddhar Gangari
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
#51 - 2015-07-13 20:53:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Siddhar Gangari
Utari Onzo wrote:
If you want the systems you can come claim them through our guns, terrorist.


Like a hound caught in a trap, you gnash your teeth as the hunter approaches. Very well then. We will end your misery.
Utari Onzo
Escalated.
OnlyFleets.
#52 - 2015-07-13 21:01:43 UTC
Siddhar Gangari wrote:
Utari Onzo wrote:
If you want the systems you can come claim them through our guns, terrorist.


Like a hound caught in a trap, you gnash your teeth as the hunter approaches. Very well then. We will end your misery.



The 'hunter' has been approaching for a few weeks now. Regardless, this is a derailment of the op of this thread. Those slaves didn't deserve to die and that is that.

"Face the enemy as a solid wall For faith is your armor And through it, the enemy will find no breach Wrap your arms around the enemy For faith is your fire And with it, burn away his evil"
Hakkod
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#53 - 2015-07-13 21:52:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Hakkod
Greetings residents of CVA space, fellow capsuleers and residents of New Eden,

The Phoebe Freeport Republic will accept full responsibility for the loss of several billions worth of military assets as well as instigation of conflict and aggressive action taken against CVA structures.

We will however under no circumstance accept to be held to account for the tragic and absolutely reprehensible loss of a thousand human lives at the hands of the CVA fleet.

As is well known, our resident space is a place of opportunity, freedom and equal chances, beset by hostility and the perils of pirate infested space. Within all this sounds a call towards the chance at a better life that many hear and follow.
At the conclusion of a very delicate operation, PFR forces managed to liberate a covert transport containing a significant number of Minmatar slaves from the Angel Cartel. The Phoebe Freeport Republic has not yet managed to uncover what the Dominations planned with these "resources", but we are confident that ongoing Intelligence efforts will soon yield results. Nevertheless, we could not let injustice stand.

So as not to rouse suspicion, an escort fleet was assembled under Amarrian guise and the decision was made to provide protection until the transport reached what we thought would be a safe haven and a new home for our wards, in Providence. Our task force navigated thirty systems, proving a good deterrent against any would-be aggressors.

Once our vessels entered the region, we made sure to sound every horn, ring every bell. I personally addressed the CVA Public Diplomatic communications channel and instructed we had a freighter with us, with cargo for them. I, as well as all the members of our fleet and indeed entire Alliance were swiftly filtered and banned off the network, under hostile standings and with no reply or instruction.

We took this as a definite sign of hostility and assumed hostile fleets inbound. We had moments to make a decision and could not simply abandon these souls to the cold and dark of space. We resolved to give it our best to get these people home. Our fleet flew cover and we attempted to breach the perimeter defenses of the D-GTMI system outpost in order to allow for a transfer to be carried out.

We watched with horror as CVA pilots descended and set as primary target the fruits of our labor, the slave transport itself. There are many documented visual stills and recordings that attest that PFR vessels were still firing all batteries in indignation while the wreck of the Freighter drifted apart, even though CVA bombers were quick to blanket the engagement area in fire and swiftly dispose of the wreck and evidence of the atrocity.

Gentlemen, we advertised ourselves as best we could. While you may make the claim that proper diplomatic channels were not observed, we are newcomers to your sovereign space and do not know your guidelines and procedures. Additionally such operations normally require strict measures to ensure safety and security.

Even in the absence of a proper inspection and scan of the vessel, which could have been carried out, the undeniable fact is CVA forces brought their full might to bear against a slow, visible, unarmed vessel while we attempted to provide cover.

You pulled the trigger. The blood of a thousand Minmatar souls is on your hands. Accept responsibility and do not attempt to shift the blame away from the reality of your missiles ripping that ship apart.

With resolve,
Hakkod

Head Diplomat
Licentia Ex Vereor
Phoebe Freeport Republic
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#54 - 2015-07-13 22:38:47 UTC
Desiderya wrote:
Gee. One thousand slaves. How can you go on with so much guilt.

Freighter crew itself can match that size.
Why nobody talks about them, but instead about these slaves, that are even considered as a commodity?..

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#55 - 2015-07-13 22:43:08 UTC
Sooo. Why didn't you use a blockade runner, then? Quick, capable of fitting a cloak, and capable of outrunning most of those who would chase it.

Seems a reasonable thing, doesn't it?

And for that matter, rescuing these slaves from the Angel Cartel? Why bring it through Providence then? As we well know, Providence is a region with a Sansha presence. To my knowledge, the Cartel hasn't had a presence there in years, if ever.

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Hakkod
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#56 - 2015-07-13 22:45:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Hakkod
Makoto Priano wrote:
Sooo. Why didn't you use a blockade runner, then? Quick, capable of fitting a cloak, and capable of outrunning most of those who would chase it.

Seems a reasonable thing, doesn't it?

And for that matter, rescuing these slaves from the Angel Cartel? Why bring it through Providence then? As we well know, Providence is a region with a Sansha presence. To my knowledge, the Cartel hasn't had a presence there in years, if ever.


It was our tactical assessment that a proper fleet was needed to secure the operation.
As to your second point, Scalding Pass however, is infested with Angels.
Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#57 - 2015-07-13 22:59:34 UTC
Silent Cyborg wrote:
Channel ID: 2137543127
Channel Name: CVA-Diplo
Listener: Silent Cyborg
Session started: 2015.07.11 20:29:15
[ 2015.07.11 21:05:51 ] Silent Cyborg > we are bringing slaves to D-GTMI


So-- a proper fleet could still certainly escort a blockade runner, could it not?

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Sinjin Mokk
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#58 - 2015-07-14 01:33:08 UTC
Hakkod wrote:

At the conclusion of a very delicate operation, PFR forces managed to liberate a covert transport containing a significant number of Minmatar slaves from the Angel Cartel. The Phoebe Freeport Republic has not yet managed to uncover what the Dominations planned with these "resources", but we are confident that ongoing Intelligence efforts will soon yield results. Nevertheless, we could not let injustice stand.



I strongly suggest you redact this right now before the truth of where and how you got those slaves becomes very common knowledge.

You disgrace your Corp, your Alliance, your Empire and your God with your lies.

I'm giving you one shot at redemption.

Angels...are never far.

"Angels live, they never die, Apart from us, behind the sky. They're fading souls who've turned to ice, So ashen white in paradise."
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#59 - 2015-07-14 06:18:34 UTC
Siddhar Gangari wrote:
Utari Onzo wrote:
May God have mercy on your souls for the blood of those slaves that is on your hands, not CVA's.


If you truly care so much for the lives of slaves, then release them into the custody of Ushra'Khan and facilitate the surrender of all systems currently occupied by the 24th Imperial Crusade to the Tribal Liberation Force. Otherwise do not bore us with your self-righteous indignation, slaver.


Sorry, being paid too much to hold on to some systems for them.
Utari Onzo
Escalated.
OnlyFleets.
#60 - 2015-07-14 06:31:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Utari Onzo
Hakkod wrote:
Greetings residents of CVA space, fellow capsuleers and residents of New Eden,

The Phoebe Freeport Republic will accept full responsibility for the loss of several billions worth of military assets as well as instigation of conflict and aggressive action taken against CVA structures.

We will however under no circumstance accept to be held to account for the tragic and absolutely reprehensible loss of a thousand human lives at the hands of the CVA fleet.

As is well known, our resident space is a place of opportunity, freedom and equal chances, beset by hostility and the perils of pirate infested space. Within all this sounds a call towards the chance at a better life that many hear and follow.
At the conclusion of a very delicate operation, PFR forces managed to liberate a covert transport containing a significant number of Minmatar slaves from the Angel Cartel. The Phoebe Freeport Republic has not yet managed to uncover what the Dominations planned with these "resources", but we are confident that ongoing Intelligence efforts will soon yield results. Nevertheless, we could not let injustice stand.

So as not to rouse suspicion, an escort fleet was assembled under Amarrian guise and the decision was made to provide protection until the transport reached what we thought would be a safe haven and a new home for our wards, in Providence. Our task force navigated thirty systems, proving a good deterrent against any would-be aggressors.

Once our vessels entered the region, we made sure to sound every horn, ring every bell. I personally addressed the CVA Public Diplomatic communications channel and instructed we had a freighter with us, with cargo for them. I, as well as all the members of our fleet and indeed entire Alliance were swiftly filtered and banned off the network, under hostile standings and with no reply or instruction.

We took this as a definite sign of hostility and assumed hostile fleets inbound. We had moments to make a decision and could not simply abandon these souls to the cold and dark of space. We resolved to give it our best to get these people home. Our fleet flew cover and we attempted to breach the perimeter defenses of the D-GTMI system outpost in order to allow for a transfer to be carried out.

We watched with horror as CVA pilots descended and set as primary target the fruits of our labor, the slave transport itself. There are many documented visual stills and recordings that attest that PFR vessels were still firing all batteries in indignation while the wreck of the Freighter drifted apart, even though CVA bombers were quick to blanket the engagement area in fire and swiftly dispose of the wreck and evidence of the atrocity.

Gentlemen, we advertised ourselves as best we could. While you may make the claim that proper diplomatic channels were not observed, we are newcomers to your sovereign space and do not know your guidelines and procedures. Additionally such operations normally require strict measures to ensure safety and security.

Even in the absence of a proper inspection and scan of the vessel, which could have been carried out, the undeniable fact is CVA forces brought their full might to bear against a slow, visible, unarmed vessel while we attempted to provide cover.

You pulled the trigger. The blood of a thousand Minmatar souls is on your hands. Accept responsibility and do not attempt to shift the blame away from the reality of your missiles ripping that ship apart.

With resolve,
Hakkod

Head Diplomat
Licentia Ex Vereor
Phoebe Freeport Republic


I appreciate you have been forth coming with a full, detailed account from a recognised diplomat, finally. It's taken a while to get to grips with the contradictory statements of your own pilots it seems.

Here's where the thing bothers me. Why did you not warn CVA long before departing and only chose to do so when you already had a large fleet in their region, and additionally admitted to breaching defences and engaging in hostile action to "sound the bell"? I appreciate your confession in not knowing what proper diplomatic conduct should have been and how to go about properly informing of your intentions, but the fact remains that freighter had no place being in hostile territory without prior warning to the residents, and by prior warning I mean long before you brought a fleet accompanied by capitals turning up at their doorstep.

Are you aware that CVA diplomats, and infact any diplomat worth their salt, would have been willing to make discussions in secret and private to protect the security of this operation? That is a common sense approaching when moving such high risk vessels as freighters through null security to another sovereign capsuleer region. You tell someone before hand otherwise your intentions are in no way clear. CVA would have no discernable way to know what your plans were when a fleet member of yours simply stated they were bringing slaves, with a hostile fleet in region, and not made very clearly at all the true intent.

I hope and pray you learn from this fiasco and next time learn what proper fore warning is.

"Face the enemy as a solid wall For faith is your armor And through it, the enemy will find no breach Wrap your arms around the enemy For faith is your fire And with it, burn away his evil"