EVE General Discussion

Has this always been so? How does this really work?

Let`s take Mantis as an example. Sold in jita for about 27 000 000 and costs about 45 000 000 to build.

I am sure this has a perfectly good explanation, I just need to understand how this happens and why to better understand the market.

Help me?

About 5-10 mantis sold per day in jita. Some very old sell orders. I think the price is low because there is little demand.

As soon as you find fhe way of cheap source of materials required to produce goodies you are on the right path.

If you buying ore/minerals from market, then you should find the right goodies to produes in the first line which grant you a small but constant income and then you could spread it out. Don't forget about skills/implants.

Except even if you get the materials cheaper than market, you still have to calculate using market value to decide if you should just sell the materials instead.

But basically A: some people can't do the right maths.
And B: Some items are old stockpiles which had reduced minerals or something to build.

Just build something else.

Lower your production costs by stealing ore from MTUs and jetcans. If you get a sudden boost of 50k ore you know you are doing it right. Though I admit that I don't mine for isk (silly idea anyway) and don't care about productiom costs at all. Undercutting everything is a nice way to mess with people.

No its not FREE!

If your making products and selling them for little more than the cost of the materials used to make them then you may as well just sell the ore and stop wasting your time and isk building things for next to no profit. You could be doing other more profitable things insetad.

Congrats on falling for a Chribba troll. I think it's a safe bet to say that Chribba knows what the **** when it comes to minerals.

I think, the main problem here is, that the market for Mantis Fighter Bombers isn't all that big. Only Super-Pilots will ever need them, and they will probably get their Fighter Bombers from the same person they get their Super from. And once they have them, they don't lose them all that often. And there are 3 (4) more Fighter Bombers, and I suppose Mantisises aren't used all that often, all I ever seem to see are Tyrfing.

There are a heap of ways to cut costs, one is to have an alt with max skills, max implant and a POS to refine ores.

I can assure you, that the ore I mine is free regardless of me selling the end item for 5 million or 25 million, and regardless of its "actual" market value. You're just suggesting I could do other things that are more profitable, that still doesn't change the fact that the ore is free to me (as time is not a cost for me).

So whilst I mine things and sell them for less the value of the unrefined ore, then content of what I sold is just as free as if I would make profit from it - it might be silly and stupid way to do things, and maybe a waste of time - but it's still free so...

And while a waste of time and perhaps inefficient it's a nice way to dump markets for whatever the reasons may be

/c

".....Or more simply, opportunity cost."

I too have been the piano player banging his head trying to figure this out. I have decided to take a different approach to explain this behavior.

Perhaps the loss of isk is balanced with the enjoyment of production/sale of the item. Clicking the "Deliver" button on a production and/or waking up in the morning to see all of the items put on the market have been sold.

After all, that is why we are all here in the first place. The enjoyment of production/sale is greater then the isk lost.

My 1.5 cents

Conar 07