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Proclamation 7 - The Inquisition of YC117

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Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#81 - 2015-07-15 08:03:44 UTC
Jili Tonari wrote:
Hey!

Did someone just say, "CIVIL WAR?"

Awesome!



I am not sure how a conflict between two capsuleer alliances is any sign of a civil war...
Sylvia Austrene
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#82 - 2015-07-15 08:53:12 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
[quote=Utari Onzo]
As for the Empress... please. Everyone knows you don't start with a headshot. That just galvanizes resistance. Instead, you begin by targeting the sheep.


When the fields start burning, when the grounds are salted and infertile and sheep start to suffer, they can but ask themselves "Why is our empire not protecting us? Why are they letting us suffer?"

They will start seeing the truth that they leaders are incompetent, dissenters will start springing, protests will arise. People will have no other choice but to look upon ourselves as their saviors.

Then you remove the head.

Andail Chanter
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#83 - 2015-07-15 10:04:02 UTC
Max Singularity wrote:


[list=1]
  • We exercise the legal and just right of query into the accusation that the self-proclaimed Harbinger of Hope, Empress Jamyl Sarum 1, the Sword of the Righteous has illegally ascended to the throne via collusion, deception, and corruption.


  • Amarrians have indeed grown decadent and allowed this usurper Jamyl to unjustly claim the throne. The corruption extends to the highest offices. Make no mistake, the heathens will be purged in fire and blood, God's Will shall be manifest throughout the Empire.
    Kontrahage
    Perkone
    Caldari State
    #84 - 2015-07-15 11:28:41 UTC
    The Mittani says Jamyl is not God's true chosen and the clusterfucks nod their heads in unison.

    It seems the Theology council was wrong afterall.

    Thank you for showing us the path to righteousness and the true meaning of the scriptures that is:
    A: Serve by killing every capsuleer you can find because cloning brings you and them closer to holyness.
    B: Those mortal life's lost in the process don't matter because they were suckers anyway.
    C: Do as Mittens wishes.

    This seems absolutely legit, well reseached and founded.

    All hail Max Singularity VI, the last of his shameful name, grand puppet of the worst pirate faction in the universe.
    Sinjin Mokk
    Ministry of War
    Amarr Empire
    #85 - 2015-07-15 14:47:32 UTC
    A message to my friends in the Amarr Loyalist Bloc.

    I just took a careful look through this thread and found some rather disturbing behavior on the part of many of you.

    Almost daily, I see people here and over Comms disparaging the State Provist Diana Kim. It is known that if you disagree with her and her views on the State and Tibus Heth, you are automatically branded a "Liar" and a "Traitor."

    Now we have a political and religious figure, who claims loyalty to God and the Empire but wants to cleanse the rot ion the heart of Providence and bring to light the mysteries surrounding the ascension of Jamyl Sarum to the Throne of Amarr. Yet all I hear from you upon any word of dissension is "Heretic" and "Blasphemer."

    My father fought alongside King Khanid during our Kingdom's break from the Empire. And the records of those times show the same level of blind, stumbling ignorance in the face of change. As a result, the Empire was never able to defeat us. Decades later, I've fought to help Khanid retain his throne against enemies both external and internal. We have adapted to the times we live in, and we Khanid thrive.

    God has given us the gift of adaptability. Indeed, it is a law of nature that those who cannot adapt, perish.

    So if you, the Amarr Bloc truly care about human life as you claim, and if you want to survive the changes that have happened and are happening, then I strongly urge you to wake up and see the Galaxy as it really is. See the Empress as she is and make an informed decision on where faith must take you in the coming years. Jamyl Sarum may indeed be your Gloriana, or she may be your Molok. Max may be your savior, or your deadliest enemy. But you can't see what is truth if you can't see past the barriers you have made for yourselves.

    By His Light and His Will.

    "Angels live, they never die, Apart from us, behind the sky. They're fading souls who've turned to ice, So ashen white in paradise."

    Arrendis
    TK Corp
    #86 - 2015-07-15 15:41:18 UTC
    Kontrahage wrote:
    The Mittani says Jamyl is not God's true chosen and the clusterfucks nod their heads in unison.


    Show me your God, then we can talk about whether he has chosen anyone.

    Show me anything that displays some divine right to enslave others, beyond simply having more and bigger guns.

    Capsuleer meatsuits are cheap - we cannot truly die. But the lives of your crews are finite. They know fear and pain and desperation just as anyone does. Don't waste their lives. See reason before it's too late.
    Corraidhin Farsaidh
    Federal Navy Academy
    Gallente Federation
    #87 - 2015-07-15 15:47:25 UTC
    Arrendis wrote:
    ... we cannot truly die.


    We can if the clone transcribe fails

    Arrendis wrote:
    See reason before it's too late.


    Unfortunately Religion and Reason are almost always mutually exclusive.
    Utari Onzo
    Escalated.
    OnlyFleets.
    #88 - 2015-07-15 15:59:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Utari Onzo
    Arrendis wrote:
    Kontrahage wrote:
    The Mittani says Jamyl is not God's true chosen and the clusterfucks nod their heads in unison.


    Show me your God, then we can talk about whether he has chosen anyone.

    Show me anything that displays some divine right to enslave others, beyond simply having more and bigger guns.

    Capsuleer meatsuits are cheap - we cannot truly die. But the lives of your crews are finite. They know fear and pain and desperation just as anyone does. Don't waste their lives. See reason before it's too late.



    Sorry but when you're own puppet proclaims it's just for us to die over and over again, and presumably losing a lot of crew lives in the process, you have no right to take the moral high ground. The Amarr Empire look after the Reclaimed as per Imperial Decree with the intent of ultimate emancipation. Your puppet wishes to simply bring about endless destruction in some self aggrandising, ego inflating, self loving death cult of the Capsuleer.

    When your own organisation delights in pure carnage and destruction of capsuleer freighters and crews, regardless of their loyalties or opinions, again you don't get to judge us on morality. The vast majority of the shipping your organisation interdicted had nothing to do with the Empire or Providence and were simply Capsuleers and innocent crews going about their business.

    I have looked upon your offerings with a reasonable mind and found them wanting, as I am sure every true supporter of the Empire and Providence will agree. Even if you burn the nullsec region down, you will not break the spirit of the faithful. I still challange you and yours to try open war against the Empress directly.

    Finally, I didn't see any of you espousing the 'glories of God' in the way Maximillian describes before The Mittani "bent the knee". I'm sure when your interests are elsewhere you'll abandon him just the same as the great swath of your territories when it became apparent you could not hold them. Fickle, feckless and fleeting are the CFC's convictions.

    "Face the enemy as a solid wall For faith is your armor And through it, the enemy will find no breach Wrap your arms around the enemy For faith is your fire And with it, burn away his evil"

    Rivr Luzade
    Coreli Corporation
    Pandemic Legion
    #89 - 2015-07-15 17:03:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Rivr Luzade
    Arrendis wrote:
    Show me anything that displays some divine right to enslave others, beyond simply having more and bigger guns.

    So, what is your reason for doing exactly the same?
    Sinjin Mokk wrote:
    Max may be your savior, or your deadliest enemy. But you can't see what is truth if you can't see past the barriers you have made for yourselves.

    As long as I see CFC roam around in High security space, earning money, hunting people, buying finished products for their needs; as long as I do not see a full functioning and self-sufficient empire in Deklein; as long as I see them violate their own principles and codes of conduct; as long as I see them preach water and drink wine at the same time Max cannot be a savior. Adaptability is not their strength, it is almost none of the Null sec dwellers' strength. Everything is too hard for them, everything too laborious, too time consuming, all they complain about is how easy other people have it; all they can do is complain about Concord and still come back to the area of influence of Concord every day. None of them can lead a properly working empire, all they are interested is murdering themselves and others and chasing rainbows (aka ISK). They are not interested in getting a true empire working with all the consequences. And yet, they demand from others to change, to follow their lead into ... ridicule, or be destroyed.

    There is no question whether Max is a savior or a threat -- he is nothing but a would-be heretic who cannot even show his "power" and capability to trigger change in his own followers. There is nothing he offers that you could follow that no one else offers with better, cheaper, less ridiculing conditions.

    UI Improvement Collective

    My ridicule, heavy criticism and general pale outlook about your or CCP's ideas is nothing but an encouragement to prove me wrong. Give it a try.

    Liam Antolliere
    Doomheim
    #90 - 2015-07-15 17:13:34 UTC
    Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:
    Unfortunately Religion and Reason are almost always mutually exclusive.


    This is demonstrably false.

    There are extremes of both but the average individual is more than capable of exercising faith, practicing religion and demonstrating reason.

    "Though the people may hate me, that does not relieve me of my charge."

    Arrendis
    TK Corp
    #91 - 2015-07-15 17:14:40 UTC
    Utari Onzo wrote:


    Sorry but when you're own puppet proclaims it's just for us to die over and over again, and presumably losing a lot of crew lives in the process, you have no right to take the moral high ground.


    I don't know, it seems to me that he's saying it's just for the supporters of slavery and oppression to be shown the error of their ways. Your crews don't have to die. You don't even have to die. Simply repudiate the foul stench of the collar and lash.

    Quote:
    When your own organisation delights in pure carnage and destruction of capsuleer freighters and crews, regardless of their loyalties or opinions, again you don't get to judge us on morality. The vast majority of the shipping your organisation interdicted had nothing to do with the Empire or Providence and were simply Capsuleers and innocent crews going about their business.


    There is a reason all of our organized campaigns of economic warfare are well-documented ahead of time. All a pilot needed to do was to avoid the interdicted trade hub completely. If pilots refused to heed the warnings and decided to shoot craps with the lives of their crew, then that decision is of their own making. At the worst, the option was a 72-hr delay in deliveries.

    Quote:
    I still challange you and yours to try open war against the Empress directly.


    And again, I say: you do not begin a war with a gesture that will harden resistance. First, you hew upon your enemy's support.

    Quote:
    the great swath of your territories when it became apparent you could not hold them. Fickle, feckless and fleeting are the CFC's convictions.


    So you say that it is wiser to cling desperately to every star system, to spread yourself so thin that all is lost, rather than turning impending changes to your advantage? Clearly, this is why we have been so unsuccessful in years of warfare. I'm sure the Skyteam is listening with eager ears to your insights.
    Arrendis
    TK Corp
    #92 - 2015-07-15 17:29:23 UTC
    Rivr Luzade wrote:
    Arrendis wrote:
    Show me anything that displays some divine right to enslave others, beyond simply having more and bigger guns.

    So, what is your reason for doing exactly the same?


    And who is it, I wonder, I am supposed to have enslaved?

    Quote:
    As long as I see CFC roam around in High security space, earning money, hunting people, buying finished products for their needs; as long as I do not see a full functioning and self-sufficient empire in Deklein; as long as I see them violate their own principles and codes of conduct; as long as I see them preach water and drink wine at the same time Max cannot be a savior.


    In similar vein, I ask: which principles and code of conduct have I espoused, yet failed to follow myself? Are the Empires each truly 'self-sufficient', or is there significant trade between them, as each seeks the resources the others have in greater abundance? My own money is earned within Deklein - resource extraction, production, and sales, all local. Perhaps if the Kadeshi were to actually live in one place longer than a month, you might begin to develop similar infrastructure.
    Pieter Tuulinen
    Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
    Khimi Harar
    #93 - 2015-07-15 17:30:47 UTC
    Arrendis wrote:

    So you say that it is wiser to cling desperately to every star system, to spread yourself so thin that all is lost, rather than turning impending changes to your advantage? Clearly, this is why we have been so unsuccessful in years of warfare. I'm sure the Skyteam is listening with eager ears to your insights.


    To be fair, Amarr has existed, sovereign, for thousands of years. They actually have a better track record at holding sov than you do...

    For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

    Scherezad
    Revenent Defence Corperation
    Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
    #94 - 2015-07-15 17:38:15 UTC
    Arrendis wrote:
    I don't know, it seems to me that he's saying it's just for the supporters of slavery and oppression to be shown the error of their ways. Your crews don't have to die. You don't even have to die. Simply repudiate the foul stench of the collar and lash.


    "Just do anything we tell you and you'll be fine!"

    Arrendis wrote:
    There is a reason all of our organized campaigns of economic warfare are well-documented ahead of time. All a pilot needed to do was to avoid the interdicted trade hub completely. If pilots refused to heed the warnings and decided to shoot craps with the lives of their crew, then that decision is of their own making. At the worst, the option was a 72-hr delay in deliveries.


    "It's your fault we hit you, you didn't leave when you had the chance!"

    I hear these arguments when I watch the children in the creche. I also hear them from a friend of mine who has an abusive husband.

    Shameful, bullying bluster.
    Arrendis
    TK Corp
    #95 - 2015-07-15 17:49:05 UTC
    Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
    Arrendis wrote:

    So you say that it is wiser to cling desperately to every star system, to spread yourself so thin that all is lost, rather than turning impending changes to your advantage? Clearly, this is why we have been so unsuccessful in years of warfare. I'm sure the Skyteam is listening with eager ears to your insights.


    To be fair, Amarr has existed, sovereign, for thousands of years. They actually have a better track record at holding sov than you do...


    So you claim that if the Amarr Empire were faced with a situation where their ability to hold their space would be compromised by the work of outside powers, they would choose a futile attempt to hang on to everything, rather than spinning off outlying regions in order to ensure the stability of the core worlds?

    The Ammatar and Khanid will be surprised to hear this.
    Pieter Tuulinen
    Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
    Khimi Harar
    #96 - 2015-07-15 17:58:39 UTC
    Nah, I know that you never reinforce defeat and that to attempt to be strong everywhere is to be strong nowhere. I'm Caldari. Avoiding those two mistakes is at the CENTER of our strategic doctrine.

    I'm just saying that if you're waging war against the Amarr Empire, saying you've been pretty successful for a couple of years isn't reassuring.

    For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

    Arrendis
    TK Corp
    #97 - 2015-07-15 18:03:47 UTC
    Scherezad wrote:
    "Just do anything we tell you and you'll be fine!"


    War is coming. The lives of our crews are in hands I trust as if they were my own - because they are. How safe are your gunners, your engineers, your sensor techs? You can call it bullying if you like, I call it a warning, and a chance to save lives. Don't needlessly throw away thousands of lives as Darkness did.
    Sinjin Mokk
    Ministry of War
    Amarr Empire
    #98 - 2015-07-15 18:13:02 UTC
    Arrendis wrote:


    So you claim that if the Amarr Empire were faced with a situation where their ability to hold their space would be compromised by the work of outside powers, they would choose a futile attempt to hang on to everything, rather than spinning off outlying regions in order to ensure the stability of the core worlds?

    The Ammatar and Khanid will be surprised to hear this.



    I can't speak for the Mandate, but many Khanid would not be so terribly surprised. We've already proven we can stand apart from the Empire. If needs be, we can do so again.

    "Angels live, they never die, Apart from us, behind the sky. They're fading souls who've turned to ice, So ashen white in paradise."

    Rivr Luzade
    Coreli Corporation
    Pandemic Legion
    #99 - 2015-07-15 18:20:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Rivr Luzade
    Arrendis wrote:
    Rivr Luzade wrote:
    Arrendis wrote:
    Show me anything that displays some divine right to enslave others, beyond simply having more and bigger guns.

    So, what is your reason for doing exactly the same?

    And who is it, I wonder, I am supposed to have enslaved?

    PBLRD rings a bell? Not just the caching of money in your pockets, a real bell. Roll People flocked ... well, I guess trickling describes your slavery endeavor better, to your renting scheme. Entities like yours made them rather submit to being a renter rather than owning space. Entities like yours subverted, oppressed, forced and coerced people into being a renter rather than a sov holder. It is certainly not only your misdoing, but your entity preaches change while having been part of the very same club of slave lords. And before you try to turn this on me as N3 and THOR has held renters as well: I do not preach the change you preach with the arguments you use. I do not care about people submitting themselves abjectly to entities like yours rather than seeking a coexistence. I do not need a change based on hypocrisy where people do still the same things, just under another name.

    Arrendis wrote:
    Quote:
    As long as I see CFC roam around in High security space, earning money, hunting people, buying finished products for their needs; as long as I do not see a full functioning and self-sufficient empire in Deklein; as long as I see them violate their own principles and codes of conduct; as long as I see them preach water and drink wine at the same time Max cannot be a savior.


    In similar vein, I ask: which principles and code of conduct have I espoused, yet failed to follow myself? Are the Empires each truly 'self-sufficient', or is there significant trade between them, as each seeks the resources the others have in greater abundance? My own money is earned within Deklein - resource extraction, production, and sales, all local. Perhaps if the Kadeshi were to actually live in one place longer than a month, you might begin to develop similar infrastructure.

    I never mentioned your name in particular but if you see this as an attack against your person, be my guest. As for the true intention behind my statement I shall redirect you to one of Max' posts in this glorious thread. Which one is up to you to find.

    The Empires do not detest what they are. Your lot on the other hand doesn't tire of preaching down with the Empires, down with people living in High security space, down with carebears in High sec, abolish High sec, to name a few things. You should not depend on High sec at all if you so despise it, you should trade with other Null sec entities exclusively to give your demands and proclamations credibility. However, as the rest of my statement says, this is too much to ask from people like you. Entities like yours even calls NBSI the only rule valid in Null sec and NRDS failed, impractical and useless; yet NRDS is the only form of Null sec governance that actually brings life to Null sec and does not leave large swaths of space devoid, desolated and empty as development and activity indices in Null sec show.

    We are nomads, we do not necessarily need to stay in one place. To say it with the words of a famous person long forgotten in distant past:
    The sedentary life has left us edgy, unfulfilled. We have not forgotten: The open road still softly calls, like a nearly forgotten song of childhood.

    UI Improvement Collective

    My ridicule, heavy criticism and general pale outlook about your or CCP's ideas is nothing but an encouragement to prove me wrong. Give it a try.

    Arrendis
    TK Corp
    #100 - 2015-07-15 18:21:14 UTC
    Sinjin Mokk wrote:
    I can't speak for the Mandate, but many Khanid would not be so terribly surprised. We've already proven we can stand apart from the Empire. If needs be, we can do so again.


    My point had been that the Khanid would be surprised to hear that the Amarr Empire would never cede an inch of space, even in the face of demonstrative inability to hold it.