Intergalactic Summit

So what odds will I get that most of provi is lost within the month?

A Kill-on-Sight vessel was killed on sight. Every single nullsec empire would have done the same (and those others have far less tolerance for neutral travel in their space than Providence). Every CONCORD member state would have done the same. If, for example, I were to fly a freighter into Gallente space, your navy would destroy my ship, even if I only had passengers inside my cargo hold. Why? Because I'm a declared enemy of state, and my piloting of an unarmed vessel is not a shield.

If my ship were destroyed in such a situation, whose fault would it be? Mine. Because I knew I would be destroyed and flew in anyway.

Questions are not asked when it comes to defending borders against potential threats. It is presumed that a hostile entity flying an unarmed passenger or cargo vessel into your space is hostile, because it is likely to be carrying ammunition, spare modules, armed troops, a bomb, or a cynosural field generator on smaller transports. The latter especially, I've been in fleets that have used unarmed transport ships as bait, while we sit on a Titan waiting for the cyno to be lit.

A Kill-on-Sight alliance intentionally flew a ship filled with innocent passengers into hostile space, with clear understanding that it would be shot on sight as a potential threat (because the alliance was, again, Kill-on-Sight). It was killed on sight, to what should have been no surprise.

Collateral damage is the fault of the criminal that commits the crime, not the law enforcement who enforce the law.

This incident was a tragedy. What makes it even more disgusting, is that some people leapt at the opportunity to try to turn it into propaganda against CVA.



I don't need to prove my character to you. I have been demonstrating my it with my actions ever since I became a capsuleer.

keep telling yourself that a freighter was a threat Samira.
It won't make it any more true, but reinforcing a lie by repetition often helps those who want to believe it.

what? was it going to bump you to death?

as for making assumptions as to it's cargo, well... thankyou for making the point that started our little conversation for me...

That is exactly what a cargo scanner is for.

y'know, it's not propaganda if it's A) completely factual and B) supplied by the people claiming you're using it against them.
Unless you believe Ms Kim of course.

Uh... Pardon me for asking so, but how can you tell then... ?

Instead of yapping did you shot freighter or not, bring your ships into Providence and start fortofying my...our home.

. . . um. Pilots?

Respectfully to all concerned, and particularly to you, suuolo ...

Why are we talking about this?

A nullsec entity picks a fight with CVA, bringing along a freighter with a modest load of slaves, presumably for the purpose of getting it blown up and then crying oh what a tragedy and how horrible and so on.

It predictably gets blown up. That's sad. Equally predictably, its former owners are in elaborate mourning and pointing the finger of blame at CVA. That's sad, but differently.

And some of us are chiming in?

That's ... confusing. I don't understand why we'd do that.

... I don't know. Maybe flying with PY-RE has left me jaded about this sort of thing, but ...

If we chime in, we're making the tactic effective. We're validating it, making it a useful tool, a way to create scandal and distraction. They'll likely do this again because of it.

Can we stop?

Corraidhin, The fault lies with both sides.
yes, the freighter should not have been there, but CVA can't say 'welp, we didn't know what was in it' as a defence if they did not even attempt to check.

Simply put, a person can't pull the trigger, then claim to be absolved of all responsibility.
The choice to fire, whatever the outcome, was still made.

Those innocent lives were lost due to the actions of both parties, and the consistent attempts to evade responsibility by one who appears to speak for CVA or PIE is a disturbing reflection on the route those once honourable corporations are taking.

. . .

I don't understand why this discussion is continued in this unrelated thread and not in it's seperate one.

Apologies, Lord Vaari.