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Blops?

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ChromeStriker
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2015-07-13 12:22:03 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
Aralieus wrote:
Tiberius Heth wrote:
First one to mention covops cloaks gets a bollocking.

They just need some stat changes tbh.


And what changes are you thinking?


they dont need changed they are fine, they dont need cov ops cloaks and dont need dscan immunity


They arent used. Least used ships in the game bar unique ships.

The only time they are used is to bridge other cov-ops, OR even more rarely to gank a target when theres no risk to themselfs.

.... they need to be changed.

No Worries

Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2015-07-13 12:42:16 UTC
Lan Wang
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2015-07-13 12:43:06 UTC
they are used when they are needed, think of them as a nice sportscar, not used very much but great fun when they are used

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*

ChromeStriker
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2015-07-13 12:54:49 UTC  |  Edited by: ChromeStriker
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
https://zkillboard.com/character/622971326/

no they are never used

ever


I stand by what i said... im sure i could find a Freki being used if i look hard enough. Compared to all the othe ships in the game the black ops class is the least used. This is well know and accounted (also they have the highest kdr... because they only ever fight when they want to). Pointing out the few snowflakes that like to use them doesnt change this.

No Worries

Lan Wang
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2015-07-13 13:01:00 UTC
they are used according to zkillboards stats for blops

https://zkillboard.com/group/898/

they are too powerful to just be running around being used all the time

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*

ChromeStriker
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2015-07-13 13:13:25 UTC  |  Edited by: ChromeStriker
Lan Wang wrote:
they are used according to zkillboards stats for blops

https://zkillboard.com/group/898/

they are too powerful to just be running around being used all the time


Ha have you compared them to other ship uses? Roll

The killboard is "filled" with the occational fleet and random smartbombing sins. Marauders have almost the same number of kills and they were'nt in fleets... and at least theyre used in pve.

No Worries

Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#27 - 2015-07-13 13:17:48 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
they are used according to zkillboards stats for blops

https://zkillboard.com/group/898/

they are too powerful to just be running around being used all the time

Well, they are not powerful as ships, they maybe are as bridges. The point of the discussion is to make them worth using as ships on grid rather than some mobile structure.

I'm afraid that if I look at that page more closely, I'll discover that most often than not they are whoring on KM created by fuel bay worth of bombers. Hardly something to write home about.
Lan Wang
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2015-07-13 13:22:36 UTC
Barrogh Habalu wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:
they are used according to zkillboards stats for blops

https://zkillboard.com/group/898/

they are too powerful to just be running around being used all the time

Well, they are not powerful as ships, they maybe are as bridges. The point of the discussion is to make them worth using as ships on grid rather than some mobile structure.

I'm afraid that if I look at that page more closely, I'll discover that most often than not they are whoring on KM created by fuel bay worth of bombers. Hardly something to write home about.


they are not powerful? are you being serious? dropping onto any target instantly at range with over 800dps is not powerful?

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*

ChromeStriker
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2015-07-13 13:33:09 UTC  |  Edited by: ChromeStriker
Lan Wang wrote:
Barrogh Habalu wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:
they are used according to zkillboards stats for blops

https://zkillboard.com/group/898/

they are too powerful to just be running around being used all the time

Well, they are not powerful as ships, they maybe are as bridges. The point of the discussion is to make them worth using as ships on grid rather than some mobile structure.

I'm afraid that if I look at that page more closely, I'll discover that most often than not they are whoring on KM created by fuel bay worth of bombers. Hardly something to write home about.


they are not powerful? are you being serious? dropping onto any target instantly at range with over 800dps is not powerful?


your point?

[Hound, New Setup 1]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Faint Warp Disruptor I

Polarized Torpedo Launcher, Nova Rage Torpedo
Polarized Torpedo Launcher, Nova Rage Torpedo
Polarized Torpedo Launcher, Nova Rage Torpedo
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
[empty high slot]

Small Processor Overclocking Unit I
Small Polycarbon Engine Housing II

900dps and a helv a lot cheeper.

Context is important

No Worries

Lan Wang
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2015-07-13 13:47:39 UTC
ChromeStriker wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:
Barrogh Habalu wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:
they are used according to zkillboards stats for blops

https://zkillboard.com/group/898/

they are too powerful to just be running around being used all the time

Well, they are not powerful as ships, they maybe are as bridges. The point of the discussion is to make them worth using as ships on grid rather than some mobile structure.

I'm afraid that if I look at that page more closely, I'll discover that most often than not they are whoring on KM created by fuel bay worth of bombers. Hardly something to write home about.


they are not powerful? are you being serious? dropping onto any target instantly at range with over 800dps is not powerful?


your point?

[Hound, New Setup 1]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Faint Warp Disruptor I

Polarized Torpedo Launcher, Nova Rage Torpedo
Polarized Torpedo Launcher, Nova Rage Torpedo
Polarized Torpedo Launcher, Nova Rage Torpedo
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
[empty high slot]

Small Processor Overclocking Unit I
Small Polycarbon Engine Housing II

900dps and a helv a lot cheeper.

Context is important


that hound will die before a panther

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*

Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2015-07-13 13:49:32 UTC
there's a reason why my corpmate uses a sin
ChromeStriker
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2015-07-13 14:11:51 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
ChromeStriker wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:
Barrogh Habalu wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:
they are used according to zkillboards stats for blops

https://zkillboard.com/group/898/

they are too powerful to just be running around being used all the time

Well, they are not powerful as ships, they maybe are as bridges. The point of the discussion is to make them worth using as ships on grid rather than some mobile structure.

I'm afraid that if I look at that page more closely, I'll discover that most often than not they are whoring on KM created by fuel bay worth of bombers. Hardly something to write home about.


they are not powerful? are you being serious? dropping onto any target instantly at range with over 800dps is not powerful?


your point?

[Hound, New Setup 1]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Faint Warp Disruptor I

Polarized Torpedo Launcher, Nova Rage Torpedo
Polarized Torpedo Launcher, Nova Rage Torpedo
Polarized Torpedo Launcher, Nova Rage Torpedo
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
[empty high slot]

Small Processor Overclocking Unit I
Small Polycarbon Engine Housing II

900dps and a helv a lot cheeper.

Context is important


that hound will die before a panther


In a drop when every other stealth bomber has damps... i think not lol... again context Blink

The reason why your blop doesnt die is the same reason the stealth bomber wont

No Worries

Tiberius Heth
Doomheim
#33 - 2015-07-13 14:22:06 UTC
Stop being dumb or just stop posting. That also works.
Lan Wang
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2015-07-13 14:26:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Lan Wang
you showed 1 fit for 1 ship that has more power than a blops and is cheaper, yeah great but that bomber will die in nearly every situation when doing solo, the blops wont, if bombers are so great then why isnt this game bombers online?

and no my blops wont die becuase it has geckos, neuts, smartbombs, points, webs and over 60k ehp of tank, bombers die to gateguns instantly

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*

Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2015-07-13 14:27:51 UTC
show me a killmail where a bomber solos a golem then we can start talking about how blops are useless.
ChromeStriker
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#36 - 2015-07-13 14:48:25 UTC  |  Edited by: ChromeStriker
show me a solo blop mail...? (that isnt smart bombing on a gate)

Oh and wouldnt be done better with a T1 hull...

and when on earth did i say that fit was for solo work lol

No Worries

Zan Shiro
Alternative Enterprises
#37 - 2015-07-13 14:48:53 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:


they are not powerful? are you being serious? dropping onto any target instantly at range with over 800dps is not powerful?




redeemer...yes. others need love. When people say blops are fine...I correct them and say redeemers are fine. Its my thing tbh.

Also have to remember blops are real careful about what they hot drop.

Unless I run the only ideal fit I have ever seen for widows (officer multi spec, shiny tank mods)....I would not drop a widow into a fight where more than can be jammed (me and other jammers in fleet) is buzzing around.

Especially if I cannot get a guarantee my boys will drop the surplus, for lack of better word, targets fast. You see with widow in the usual armour or jam spec fits....what I don't jam, what my boys do not kill quick enough will not have to work very hard to kill me.

Enter the officer fit with shiny tank. I can't afford to run it. be nice though. 3 officer multi's just a point or 2 shy of racial t2, I actually have a shield tank...be nice. just don't have the isk to burn to lose an assload of isk in officer mods alone.

Why I have seen blops used only in muggings if not bridging really. 5 on say 2...yeah they will win. that is damn near any fight with most ships really though.
Lan Wang
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2015-07-13 14:56:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Lan Wang
ChromeStriker wrote:
show me a solo blop mail...? (that isnt smart bombing on a gate)

and when on earth did i say that fit was for solo work lol


https://zkillboard.com/kill/47839285/
https://zkillboard.com/kill/47839291/
https://zkillboard.com/kill/47831287/
https://zkillboard.com/kill/47831301/
https://zkillboard.com/kill/47817502/
https://zkillboard.com/kill/47806719/

you're idea that a bomber does more dps than a blops which renders the blops useless because something can do 1 thing better is totally flawed, i said solo because it doesnt matter how you paint it a blops will last longer than a bomber and a blops is more useful than a bomber because it can do more

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*

ChromeStriker
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#39 - 2015-07-13 15:03:35 UTC  |  Edited by: ChromeStriker
Lan Wang wrote:


so of the 6...

one was a cyno

2 were'nt even solo

and 1 was a suicidal hero taclle

i clap for finding two (il give you an extra half for the hero tackle) ... that i can only put down to the stupidity of the pilots.... and would of been done better with a T1 hull Roll

No Worries

Lan Wang
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2015-07-13 15:04:52 UTC
Zan Shiro wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:


they are not powerful? are you being serious? dropping onto any target instantly at range with over 800dps is not powerful?




redeemer...yes. others need love. When people say blops are fine...I correct them and say redeemers are fine. Its my thing tbh.


and exactly what is wrong with the others? remote rep sins are a thing, panthers are pretty awesome, never flown a widow but i cant see the issue with blops, they jump in, kill stuf, mjd out, cloak and jump out, working as intended imo

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*