Player Features and Ideas Discussion

This is a cut and dry message. If you don't like it then leave a constrictive argument otherwise just leave this post without commenting.

The Bad
Ive been playing this game for some years and done just about everything except living in a WH. So i would like to list some very obvious down fall about eve and ways I think it can be corrected. Lets start with how long it takes for a new player to actually do something in eve. For a new player not knowing what he is doing it will take him anywhere from 4-8 weeks to actually be able to play the game. I understand if you played eve before you know what to skill for and can jump right into faction warfare to earn millions but most players are trying to figure out the game. My suggestion is why not give them the necessary skills based on what path they choose. Example if they choose gallente military then why not give a tutorial on just that and after its complete give then small gunnery lvl 5 and frig lvl 5 with some armor rep lvl 3 and some basic armor skills. If calidari then exchange with shield and shield resist, amarr armor with armor resist skill ect. If you have then skills given after the training then players wont mass produce alts. Make it interesting but not worth grinding just to get a frig. Im suggesting a 6-12 hour tutorial course with a mission or two in between that fully explains every thing about the game. Also this game is expensive. Too expensive! focus more on getting alot of players with small charges to keep playing the game ($5 a month) instead of ($20-$30). Income in this game should be focused on pvp losses. Make it easier for player to get into and actually participate into the game with bring more death, chaos, and destruction which makes more isk for eve. That will make more content which will make the game more exciting. I heard to learn all the skill in the gma e takes 13 years so whats a 2 month skill boost for newer players? Its not like a 2 month boost is too much. It takes years to fly a ship at its full potential.Its a smart investment to keep new players active. Just please tailor the skills to what the pilot want to do. Most new players mine or do exploration. Let make it alittle easier for them to run a mission or two to make a few fully fitted frigs/destroyers to run around pvping in. Let's not make them run to the bank after a few failed attempts in learning the game mechanics.

The Good
The lighting on the game is breath taking, Great job with the graphics and new ships design. I mean WOW just WOW its amazing. The astroid belts dust and lighting are the best. Plenty of miners were saved due to me being distracted while landing on grid. I think the game is getting better. Just a lot of new changes that take some time getting use to. From the menu bar to the new ship icon (overview) the game really does look cleaner and deliver information better. One small problem is playing eve in 4k. All the icons and letters shrink, %150 up scaling isn't enough. The game needs a %175 and a %200 for those with large tv's.

The Ugly
Whats with all the ships being the same and the crazy nerfs? Honestly the devs goes over board with ships nerfs. Does any of the devs play the game? With alot of these changes it doesnt seem like any of them actually play. The Ishtar nef was needed but its gone overboard. I dont know why the ishtar was given a buff a year or so ago. The Omnitracking wasn't needed and wasn't a good module to be introduce. What the Gila received as a buff should have went to the Ishtar. The nerf a long time ago to Incursions was too much. Its like this Game wants everyone to dump as much money into it as possiable. To the point where you can play eve for another 30 days or buy a completely new game. Makes players think if its worth even playing. This is a boring game because its hard to make isk. No one wants to risk a ship which makes content very low. Low content=boring game. This is something that needs to be looked at. I don't own sov but I think some of the changes are hitting sov alittle too fast. Maybe slow down on the sov changes alittle. Still waiting for T3 cruisers to be a versatile cruiser. But versatile it doesn't needs to tank and hit like a BS with a tiny sig. The ability to jump through covert cyno, cloak. Go thru bubbles are really great starts. Uber tank and dps that's untouchable with logi is a no go.
If it cost $50mil to wardec a corp then it should cost $50 to make a corp. that way players can drop corp and make a new one when wardec.
I love ganking but it shouldn't be done in some areas. Make 1.0 systems ungankable. Also Criminals shouldn't be allowed in high sec. If you are -5.0 then the police shouldkill you on site. If you are in a ship then you should die once entering system (pods and shuttles are okay to travel) -players shouldn't be allowed in a 1.0 system. This will keep them from scouting and communicating with newer players.

[quote=Zan Shiro]The isk making is easier these days....wth are you talking about. Your issue is inflation which ccp can't fully control. Enough players think say plex is worth what it is today...they make it so. Sandbox game and player run economy by and large...that is working as intended.

Game cost is also $15. Average MMO price. If in a country whose exchange rates tacks on cost....talk to your leaders about that one.

Skip starbuck 2-3 times a month and there ya go. Look at this way...at some point the only remnant of that starbucks (or other overpriced needless coffee place) you literally **** way hours later. Eve...you have for the whole sub period. Me in Japan I buy a case of a fave black coffee that have it cost like 50-60 yen a can (roughly .50 cents) since in bulk. Drink up to 3 cans daily...my coffee habit met for less than 2 dollars a day. End of the day you just want the caffeine. Why sugar coat it....it costs you more and is extra calories as well lol.

Player choice to run several accounts. Want to make it $30 or more....that's on them and their alt addiction as it were. [/quote

Just because you can offord it doesn't mean others can. Eve is an international game. Some people can't offord this game every month but good for you in hanging deep pockets. A few years ago you could make a lot more ISK. Vindictators were worth 1.3 bil and incursions could score you 500mil in a hr. So no it's not easy to make ISK as it use to be. Your argument is invalid.

Here's my constrictive criticism.

you are still not getting it. Just because you are making it doesn't mean others are. As stated before, A lesser cost to keep sub would attract more people which would create more content. More content means more destruction which = more ISK spent. More ISK spent equals more money for CCP. I say instead of PLEX make the game free and have it to where players can buy ISK. 500 mil for $10.

also how many skills does it take to run incursions? How long does it take a new player to figure out how to skill and join one? This is what I'm getting at. Players don't come in knowing about incursions, how to acquire info on them, how to skill for them, how to join them, and how to get the ISK to even buy one. Took me a year to run incursions and Blink funded me my early eve life.

I am "making it" because I work for it. If you're not "making it" then perhaps you need to do something to improve your lot in life besides wasting time playing video games, or in this case wasting everyone's time complaining about how unfair it is that you have to spend the same amount as everyone else does for your ability to waste time playing a video game.

Why it's two months out of 13 yrs of skills. It gets newer players in faster.

2-3 months training for the group I run with, roughly. A couple of days if you're adorable and want to be the hacking guy.

Surely the way to sort newbies out is to send them in the direction of player corps, not force them to spend twelve hours running an awful tutorial? That way, they learn about the best ways to make ISK, from people who actually do it...

The problem is very simple.
We are missing 30k people online , and cheap BC doctrines we use to have.

Who remembers the "immortal" drakes?

Newbe can use one (poorly fitted) quite fast , and loosing T2 fitted one , without insurance costed around 20mil.

Now you need to have T2 hacs/ T3 cruisers and faction battleships. Much more skill intensive and this is not 20 mil from wallet in each dead ship, but from 100-300mil and even more.

1 lost T2 hac is equal to losing 5 drakes in the old days.
Compare how much fun you have losing 5 ships and 1.

What we need are again cheap ships, that are useful

it was 6-12 hrs and it's meant to cover transversal, over view, briefly cover how to create your own, how to warp to a fleet member (using AI fleet member), creating a fleet and setting free move and a booster, broadcasting, looting, planing a route, how to plane skill training ect. For the new player it wouldn't be boring but for an exp player it would be teeth pulling.