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The Battle of Kehjari
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Epikurus
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2015-07-10 13:29:42 UTC
Adding some more numbers to the above post with the 6 hour EU (1700-2300) and US (2300-0500) slots for each day.

EU

Friday: 63 Gallente, 56 Caldari
Saturday: 57 Gallente, 63 Caldari
Sunday: 84 Gallente, 86 Caldari

US

Friday: 36 Gallente, 23 Caldari (only 2 BLOC pilots!)
Saturday: 55 Gallente, 48 Caldari
Sunday: 56 Gallente, 59 Caldari (plus brief appearance by an 11 man Pestilent gate camp)


If I had no life I would now want to cut these up into 3 hour chunks (6 hours is a bit too broad) so we had the figures for 8 three hour periods each day and then plot these against contested level increases and decreases. Hell, what I'd really like to see is the numbers on an hour by hour basis but I can hear my neck-beard growing even as I think such thoughts.
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#22 - 2015-07-10 14:23:28 UTC
Veskrashen wrote:
Epikurus wrote:
If this is representative then in terms of numbers and isk lost the fight was extremely finely balanced, albeit with a larger number of cheaper Caldari ships destroyed.

Yup, good fites all around. Really disappointed we weren't able to push more and harder, but logistics was definitely an issue (running invasions out of a POS is much harder, and Incursion definitely didn't help). Well done on camping the hell out of the Maroh-Kehjari gate, definitely made it more difficult to get reships into system.

I was a bit surprised to see Caldari running Tristan and Algos fleets, but it seems like you folks are pretty much at parity with us in Novice / Small doctrines for the most part. You don't seem to have a plex doctrine counter to our AHAC fleets yet though, which is probably why you see the significant isk/kill disparity. Nicely done on that Jaguar comp too, excellent little counter to our Sniper Harpies.

In all, well done to CalMil. As in Hasmijaala, you all showed you can actually pull together and have your logistics sorted a LOT better than you did last year. Looking forward to more of these clashes to come.

I suppose the big question is... when will CalMil be ready to start going on the offensive? The last major system we lost was due more to not wanting to deal with basing in SNUFF's home system than anything else...



TBH we had the same issues as you guys due to the incursion so getting things sorted above dessys didn't happen.


The offensive question is tricky - When we have started to push we find you guys don't really come - You just get your pet 'Crosi Fedo' to put a heap of Stabbed Ventures in the systems all day and dplex it once we log off from boredom.

It is very effective but cat and mouse games with stabbed ships are not really good content.

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Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#23 - 2015-07-10 14:36:55 UTC
IbanezLaney wrote:
We have yet to significantly challenge 4 deplexing alts so we are in no way ready to make an actual push



At least youre honest.
Epikurus
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2015-07-10 15:08:22 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
IbanezLaney wrote:
We have yet to significantly challenge 4 deplexing alts so we are in no way ready to make an actual push



At least youre honest.


Crosi Wesdo wrote:
IbanezLaney wrote:
We have yet to significantly challenge 4 deplexing alts so we are in no way ready to make an actual push



At least youre honest.


I think his point was not that you can't be challenged but that nobody wants to because you have developed a play-style that is so tedious to engage with that most people would rather shoot themselves in the face than do what needs to be done for hour after hour. For which, congratulations I guess ...
Veratrix
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2015-07-10 15:09:23 UTC
Lol
Veratrix
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2015-07-10 15:13:01 UTC
You realize we pushed for close to 16 hours straight before we got a semblance of a fight in kehjari right?
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#27 - 2015-07-10 15:24:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Crosi Wesdo
What actually happens, is the cal mil AU tz has 12-15 dudes, dual boosted with neutral alts in geddons neuting out my commandship boosts on station and then a probing alt if i put boosts in a safe.

All of this to fight, pretty much just me.

Lots of smack in local about how my 1 garmur which may or may not have boosts darent engage their anti garmur dram and his gang of 10 other nano frigates.

Then, the AU tz logs off and i slaughter the EU tz until they bring enough logi frigates to tank my garmur. Then i get some help and numbers even up and they go home. Enter the plexing alts.

No one is blue balling the AU tz, just for the most part we dont have an integrated presence. At a push we might be able to persuade what we have to rally but generally they arnt great plex fighting assets.

Just like some of our EU tz tbh, there could be non stop running fights in a system 2 jumps away but they would rather form up a cruiser gang to go dunk some solo vigilant the other side of FW space.

Just how it goes. Pays to have a certain amount of self sufficiency.
Epikurus
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2015-07-10 15:31:12 UTC
Veratrix wrote:
You realize we pushed for close to 16 hours straight before we got a semblance of a fight in kehjari right?


Yep - and given the local chatter your pilots didn't seem terribly amused Blink
Veratrix
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2015-07-10 15:35:28 UTC
But it generally works out in the end. Y'all should give it a try just once and see.
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#30 - 2015-07-10 15:50:04 UTC
Epikurus wrote:


I think his point was not that you can't be challenged but that nobody wants to because you have developed a play-style that is so tedious to engage with that most people would rather shoot themselves in the face than do what needs to be done for hour after hour. For which, congratulations I guess ...



This ^^.

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Veratrix
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2015-07-10 16:08:47 UTC
Y'all haven't even really pushed anything before. Like crosi said it's just au tz guys plexing at a time when no one can seriously contest them. Then nothing. Suprise! Plexing in one tz for 4 or 5 hours can't take a home system. Who would have thought.
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#32 - 2015-07-10 16:10:45 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:

All of this to fight, pretty much just me. (I have no friends)



TBH - It's not just for you.

It is just that you are the only one who turns up.

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Roy Henry
Black Fox Marauders
Pen Is Out
#33 - 2015-07-10 16:28:12 UTC
Gal mil has no real au tz to contest cal mils contingent. Its frustraing to have to deal with that fact having lived with au squids plezing my home system every day in rakapas, but in the end it was little more then an inconvenience. Cal mil can use this to their advantage offensively when they want to by creeping up percentages on systems to dangerous levels before an offensive even takes place. They just don't have the follow through I guess
Thanatos Marathon
Moira.
#34 - 2015-07-10 18:20:39 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
What actually happens, is the cal mil AU tz has 12-15 dudes, dual boosted with neutral alts in geddons neuting out my commandship boosts on station and then a probing alt if i put boosts in a safe.

All of this to fight, pretty much just me.

Lots of smack in local about how my 1 garmur which may or may not have boosts darent engage their anti garmur dram and his gang of 10 other nano frigates.

Then, the AU tz logs off and i slaughter the EU tz until they bring enough logi frigates to tank my garmur. Then i get some help and numbers even up and they go home. Enter the plexing alts.

No one is blue balling the AU tz, just for the most part we dont have an integrated presence. At a push we might be able to persuade what we have to rally but generally they arnt great plex fighting assets.

Just like some of our EU tz tbh, there could be non stop running fights in a system 2 jumps away but they would rather form up a cruiser gang to go dunk some solo vigilant the other side of FW space.

Just how it goes. Pays to have a certain amount of self sufficiency.


*sniff* no love for my deplexing alts *sniff*

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islador
Antigen.
#35 - 2015-07-11 22:15:03 UTC
This siege was some of the most fun I've ever had in EVE. There was constant action, and Cal Mil had a rotating host of fleet commanders and support personnel so that any one person could slip out if needed. I managed to attend all my July 4th plans AND get some seriously epic pew in.

Thanks for bringing the fight Gals, looking forward to returning the favor!
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#36 - 2015-07-12 00:35:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Crosi Wesdo
Thanatos Marathon wrote:
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
What actually happens, is the cal mil AU tz has 12-15 dudes, dual boosted with neutral alts in geddons neuting out my commandship boosts on station and then a probing alt if i put boosts in a safe.

All of this to fight, pretty much just me.

Lots of smack in local about how my 1 garmur which may or may not have boosts darent engage their anti garmur dram and his gang of 10 other nano frigates.

Then, the AU tz logs off and i slaughter the EU tz until they bring enough logi frigates to tank my garmur. Then i get some help and numbers even up and they go home. Enter the plexing alts.

No one is blue balling the AU tz, just for the most part we dont have an integrated presence. At a push we might be able to persuade what we have to rally but generally they arnt great plex fighting assets.

Just like some of our EU tz tbh, there could be non stop running fights in a system 2 jumps away but they would rather form up a cruiser gang to go dunk some solo vigilant the other side of FW space.

Just how it goes. Pays to have a certain amount of self sufficiency.


*sniff* no love for my deplexing alts *sniff*


Alts are only a single factor. The most important aspect is having a main that can intimidate an enemy into grouping up into a single plex so you can run all the others with alts. While the enemy stay in a single blob, they dare not separate themselves into smaller groups to run multiple plexes as they may become vulnerable to a hyper kite garmur.
Silverbackyererse
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#37 - 2015-07-12 02:40:34 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:

FIGJAM


Lol
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#38 - 2015-07-12 13:50:48 UTC
Silverbackyererse wrote:
Crosi Wesdo wrote:

FIGJAM


Lol


Incorrect. It doesnt matter how good i think i am. Only matters what others think :)
Dread Operative
Lowlife.
Snuffed Out
#39 - 2015-07-12 19:14:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Dread Operative
I am amazed that they havent figured out to have one or two guys with utility damps instead of tackle mods
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#40 - 2015-07-12 21:17:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Crosi Wesdo
Dread Operative wrote:
I am amazed that they havent figured out to have one or two guys with utility damps instead of tackle mods


Garmur has a decent immunity to all ewar.
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