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Gallente tactical destroyer - Forced to use MWD setups not fun.
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Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#121 - 2015-07-10 09:02:05 UTC
Still kind of sad that my Enyo and my Ishkur have MWD bonuses and in order for me to sig tank battleships and battlecruisers I'm FORCED to use an afterburner. Likewise this MWD bonus is completely wasted when I'm brawling smaller ships as they will, like me, be fitting a scram and shut my propulsion down... so I'm still forced to use an afterburner.

'tis not fair.
I think.
maybe.

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Domino Vyse
FeedingMachine
Good Sax
#122 - 2015-07-10 09:23:07 UTC
OP is a fool.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#123 - 2015-07-10 09:31:17 UTC
Nidal Fervor wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
OP, there's nothing like testing. How about you fire up a Svipul and I fire up a Hecate and we go see whether the Hecate is unbalanced and useless? I'll even come fly to whichever system you prefer. high, low, null all good.


I've tested it, your hecate would lose badly.
If you're so sure of that then you should take him up on the offer.

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Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#124 - 2015-07-10 09:43:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Nidal Fervor wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
OP, there's nothing like testing. How about you fire up a Svipul and I fire up a Hecate and we go see whether the Hecate is unbalanced and useless? I'll even come fly to whichever system you prefer. high, low, null all good.


I've tested it, your hecate would lose badly.
If you're so sure of that then you should take him up on the offer.

^ Yes this.

Come on OP. It's only a ship loss for one of us, nothing to be scared of.

I realise you're using a forum alt, so if you want, just send me a mail on your main and I'll keep it confidential.
Stitch Kaneland
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#125 - 2015-07-10 13:17:04 UTC
Nidal Fervor wrote:
Stitch Kaneland wrote:
Nidal Fervor wrote:


It wasn't me who complained about the svipul, dumbass, it was another guy. I just replied to him. Got it (stupid comment throwback to guy who thinks he is tough, keyboard warrior LOL)

Hecate DPS blah blah, it's not all about DPS.


I know reading comprehension is hard. So i'll try and break it down for you.

You're complaining about MWD bonus not being useful to AB fits. Saying that if you fit an AB, you are not utilizing a bonus and that some how makes the ship worthless, dumb, or some other whiney rant.

I said that if you use ac's on a svipul you are not utilizing the optimal bonus of the svipul. Since ac's (especially small) have almost non existant optimal. Therefore, by your logic, the svipul is a terrible ship since its more tailored for arty than ac. Meaning you're FORCED into using arty (you're not). In case you missed it, ac svipuls are far more common than arty svipuls.

Then you proceeded to tell me that every t3d has wasted bonuses. At which point i used the svipul as an example again. Stating the optimal and tracking bonuses can do wonderful things for arty. So its only a "wasted" bonus because it doesnt fit YOUR idea of what the ship should be.

Be creative and im sure you can make it work. That clear things up for you, cupcake?


Whoa! Huge response; calm down dear.


Oh good. So I guess you realized you were the dumbass. Since there was no retort, or witty comeback. Such a child.

Did Aza Ebanu and CAM have a child, and then proceed to drop it on its head a few times? Are you their offspring? The whiny entitlement of CAM with the outright refusal to ever be wrong of Aza. Then with some brain damage thrown in for good measure.

Give Battlecruisers range to fullfil their Anti-Cruiser role - OP SUCCESS

Make the Muninn great again!
Vol Arm'OOO
Central Co-Prosperity Union
#126 - 2015-07-10 13:35:16 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
Vol Arm'OOO wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Vol Arm'OOO wrote:
The bottom line is roles by definition are anti-sandbox.


...really? Of anything else you might have said, you're going for this absurdity?

Ship roles are this game's substitute for character classes, genius. They are a necessity to the sandbox, and are what primarily allows for diversity between ship types, as opposed to "Generic Minmatar Medium ship, Generic Amarr Medium ship", etc.


No they are not a necessity. They are a crutch for folk with no imagination. The question is - in a sandbox, who should decide what role a ship fills? The devs or the players? Do you really think in a sandbox where there were no roles that there would be uniformity? No, there would still be logi, dps, hauler, etc. . . It would just be up to the players to make the roles from generic hulls. of course the problem is that some folk just want content spoon fed to them.


being supplied a ship that can do a specialist job is not being spoonfed


You are absolutely being spoon fed. But apart from the lack of player freedom look at the crazy cycle that roles put ccp on -- CCP creates the drake as the flavor of the month; everybody uses the drake; so ccp nerfs the drake and missiles etc. . ., driving the drake out of popularity make a new flavor of the month the drone boat; everybody uses drone boats, no one uses drakes; so now ccp nerfs drone boats and buff missiles; while its early its safe to say that a new flavor of the month is coming soon which some speculate will be the drake. In short CCP is in a endless nerf, buff cycle, which they cant win since they cannot ever achieve perfect balance. However, in chasing after balance they are forced to dedicate considerable dev resources, time, energy and expense. Clearly, it would be better if they broke the cycle and just put their faith in the sandbox. Just tell the players that balance is something that the players create and then give the players flexible tools to create ships. With the right tools, the players will fill the roles - logi, dps, hauler, etc. . . , and this will free up devs to actually create content instead of being on balance hamster wheel.

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Nidal Fervor
Doomheim
#127 - 2015-07-10 13:49:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Nidal Fervor
Stitch Kaneland wrote:
Nidal Fervor wrote:
Stitch Kaneland wrote:
Nidal Fervor wrote:


It wasn't me who complained about the svipul, dumbass, it was another guy. I just replied to him. Got it (stupid comment throwback to guy who thinks he is tough, keyboard warrior LOL)

Hecate DPS blah blah, it's not all about DPS.


I know reading comprehension is hard. So i'll try and break it down for you.

You're complaining about MWD bonus not being useful to AB fits. Saying that if you fit an AB, you are not utilizing a bonus and that some how makes the ship worthless, dumb, or some other whiney rant.

I said that if you use ac's on a svipul you are not utilizing the optimal bonus of the svipul. Since ac's (especially small) have almost non existant optimal. Therefore, by your logic, the svipul is a terrible ship since its more tailored for arty than ac. Meaning you're FORCED into using arty (you're not). In case you missed it, ac svipuls are far more common than arty svipuls.

Then you proceeded to tell me that every t3d has wasted bonuses. At which point i used the svipul as an example again. Stating the optimal and tracking bonuses can do wonderful things for arty. So its only a "wasted" bonus because it doesnt fit YOUR idea of what the ship should be.

Be creative and im sure you can make it work. That clear things up for you, cupcake?


Whoa! Huge response; calm down dear.


Oh good. So I guess you realized you were the dumbass. Since there was no retort, or witty comeback. Such a child.

Did Aza Ebanu and CAM have a child, and then proceed to drop it on its head a few times? Are you their offspring? The whiny entitlement of CAM with the outright refusal to ever be wrong of Aza. Then with some brain damage thrown in for good measure.


More likely I thought you wern't worth wasting time on a well thought out response; just like this time.
Nidal Fervor
Doomheim
#128 - 2015-07-10 13:54:19 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Nidal Fervor wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
OP, there's nothing like testing. How about you fire up a Svipul and I fire up a Hecate and we go see whether the Hecate is unbalanced and useless? I'll even come fly to whichever system you prefer. high, low, null all good.


I've tested it, your hecate would lose badly.
If you're so sure of that then you should take him up on the offer.

^ Yes this.

Come on OP. It's only a ship loss for one of us, nothing to be scared of.

I realise you're using a forum alt, so if you want, just send me a mail on your main and I'll keep it confidential.


Any time man.
Stitch Kaneland
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#129 - 2015-07-10 13:54:31 UTC
The drake is never making a comeback while ishtars are around. The whole kinetic lock amd gal t2 resists. Not to mention drakes were used extensively not because they were the most OP ship around bit because their insurance payout was so jacked up, you could welp them for 10-20m isk after payouts. They were also easy to train into, good for alliances to get newbros into fleets. The rise of the drake is not upon us. It will probably never make a return while sentry boats are available.

Give Battlecruisers range to fullfil their Anti-Cruiser role - OP SUCCESS

Make the Muninn great again!
Stitch Kaneland
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#130 - 2015-07-10 13:57:47 UTC
Nidal Fervor wrote:
Stitch Kaneland wrote:
Nidal Fervor wrote:
Stitch Kaneland wrote:
Nidal Fervor wrote:


It wasn't me who complained about the svipul, dumbass, it was another guy. I just replied to him. Got it (stupid comment throwback to guy who thinks he is tough, keyboard warrior LOL)

Hecate DPS blah blah, it's not all about DPS.


I know reading comprehension is hard. So i'll try and break it down for you.

You're complaining about MWD bonus not being useful to AB fits. Saying that if you fit an AB, you are not utilizing a bonus and that some how makes the ship worthless, dumb, or some other whiney rant.

I said that if you use ac's on a svipul you are not utilizing the optimal bonus of the svipul. Since ac's (especially small) have almost non existant optimal. Therefore, by your logic, the svipul is a terrible ship since its more tailored for arty than ac. Meaning you're FORCED into using arty (you're not). In case you missed it, ac svipuls are far more common than arty svipuls.

Then you proceeded to tell me that every t3d has wasted bonuses. At which point i used the svipul as an example again. Stating the optimal and tracking bonuses can do wonderful things for arty. So its only a "wasted" bonus because it doesnt fit YOUR idea of what the ship should be.

Be creative and im sure you can make it work. That clear things up for you, cupcake?


Whoa! Huge response; calm down dear.


Oh good. So I guess you realized you were the dumbass. Since there was no retort, or witty comeback. Such a child.

Did Aza Ebanu and CAM have a child, and then proceed to drop it on its head a few times? Are you their offspring? The whiny entitlement of CAM with the outright refusal to ever be wrong of Aza. Then with some brain damage thrown in for good measure.


More likely I thought you wern't worth wasting time on a well thought out response; just like this time.


You? A well thought out response? Id like to see it happen.

Give Battlecruisers range to fullfil their Anti-Cruiser role - OP SUCCESS

Make the Muninn great again!
Jacques d'Orleans
#131 - 2015-07-10 14:19:49 UTC
Angelica Dreamstar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#132 - 2015-07-10 14:27:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Angelica Dreamstar
Stitch Kaneland wrote:
Nidal Fervor wrote:
Stitch Kaneland wrote:
Nidal Fervor wrote:
Stitch Kaneland wrote:
Nidal Fervor wrote:


It wasn't me who complained about the svipul, dumbass, it was another guy. I just replied to him. Got it (stupid comment throwback to guy who thinks he is tough, keyboard warrior LOL)

Hecate DPS blah blah, it's not all about DPS.


I know reading comprehension is hard. So i'll try and break it down for you.

You're complaining about MWD bonus not being useful to AB fits. Saying that if you fit an AB, you are not utilizing a bonus and that some how makes the ship worthless, dumb, or some other whiney rant.

I said that if you use ac's on a svipul you are not utilizing the optimal bonus of the svipul. Since ac's (especially small) have almost non existant optimal. Therefore, by your logic, the svipul is a terrible ship since its more tailored for arty than ac. Meaning you're FORCED into using arty (you're not). In case you missed it, ac svipuls are far more common than arty svipuls.

Then you proceeded to tell me that every t3d has wasted bonuses. At which point i used the svipul as an example again. Stating the optimal and tracking bonuses can do wonderful things for arty. So its only a "wasted" bonus because it doesnt fit YOUR idea of what the ship should be.

Be creative and im sure you can make it work. That clear things up for you, cupcake?


Whoa! Huge response; calm down dear.


Oh good. So I guess you realized you were the dumbass. Since there was no retort, or witty comeback. Such a child.

Did Aza Ebanu and CAM have a child, and then proceed to drop it on its head a few times? Are you their offspring? The whiny entitlement of CAM with the outright refusal to ever be wrong of Aza. Then with some brain damage thrown in for good measure.


More likely I thought you wern't worth wasting time on a well thought out response; just like this time.


You? A well thought out response? Id like to see it happen.

She thinks she's actually capable of a well thought out response although there's tons of evidence she isn't. Big smile

That made me laugh! Some people are just tools to play with, really. Lol

bingo, his pig not being a goat doesn't make the pig wrong, just him an idiot for shouting at his pig "WHY ARENT YOU A GOAT!" (Source)

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Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#133 - 2015-07-10 15:15:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Nidal Fervor wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Nidal Fervor wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
OP, there's nothing like testing. How about you fire up a Svipul and I fire up a Hecate and we go see whether the Hecate is unbalanced and useless? I'll even come fly to whichever system you prefer. high, low, null all good.


I've tested it, your hecate would lose badly.
If you're so sure of that then you should take him up on the offer.

^ Yes this.

Come on OP. It's only a ship loss for one of us, nothing to be scared of.

I realise you're using a forum alt, so if you want, just send me a mail on your main and I'll keep it confidential.


Any time man.

Ok, great. I'll send you a mail.

e. Mail sent
Spurty
#134 - 2015-07-12 23:10:54 UTC
how did the fight work out? ^^

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