Crime & Punishment

Hello people of the forums,

Just a heads up for any people in the future, about a character called De'Nab. He is a Corporation thief, stole several billion ISK from people he befriended in Corp and shared an SMA with, as well as stole the entirety of our general use storage for all members (Amounted to around 1 billion ISK). I have tried to warn his current Corporation, but they just say they know him in RL and that the trust him, so this warning is mainly for anyone who accepts him or his Alts (Names below) into their Corporation, so you know to either kick or be careful with him.

Names/Alts:

De'Nab
Ivana Pumpalot
Cindy Vain

According to the rules of this thread, I am not allowed to post zKillmails with the names in shown for some reason, if this rule only applies when trying to embarrass somebody, and not when trying to show proof that somebody is a thief, then let me know, and I will post it here, however, if you look up the zKillboard and his name, you will find a Hauler he was killed in trying to escape with the last shipment of our general use stuff from the SMA/Hangers. Since then, everyone has been given restricted access, which, is what we should have done in the first place, but you live and you learn, just want to make sure others don't have to learn this way.

On top of this, if anyone can supply zKillmails, from this day forward, where they have killed him and his Pod, I will pay 5mil ISK per 100mil ISK his ship was worth, and if his Pod is worth 500mil ISK plus there will be a 25mil ISK bonus, and before you say it, yes, this is petty, and while I will be killing him if I ever see him, I will appreciate any and all help in making him pay for stealing from our members.

Thank you for reading, and sorry for lack of proof, I didn't want to break any forums rules and I think I have followed them.. Please let me know if I have broken any, and I will modifiy the post to suit.

That is funny.. And made me giggle.. Haha!

I should re-say it, we had a general holding hanger, that was for normal stuff, like spare modules and all that stuff, for day to day operations, of which we have an open door policy too, however, for example, if you have a friend at your house and say he can help himself to your fridge, and takes everything that was in there, I do believe you would not be okay with that.. They were modules to help members get fits on the fly if necessary, I don't know if other Corporations have something similar, this is my first go at being a CEO, haha! He also took from the SMA, which involves other peoples Ships and such (I am unaware if there is a way to set up tabs and stuff for an SMA, if there is, someone please let me know).

We made contact with the group in our neighbouring WH, and they made quick work of him, I was at work at the time so I could not log on to kick him or anything at the time, and I only found at just before that kill was made, from one of our members who logged in and didn't have anything in his tab and most of his ships stolen from the SMA. I do believe this counts as a theft.. I might view theft differently, but yes, up to you guys I guess..

And yes! :D Bounties for killing him in shiny stuff! Extra ISK will be worked out if you kill him in something that has a crappy Insurance payout! :D like a T2/T3!

Thank you very much, Federal Attorney Aulmais,

I missed that thread.. I should have looked a bit more before posting, apologies for that.

And haha! Thank you.. I think :P I just believe a due should be paid for stealing/taking from friends, and from the Corporation that didn't do anything wrong, we only tried to help and be a good Wormhole community, I look forward to hearing peoples input on this, and, if possible zKillmails :) Oh, and with the bounties, the Corpse from the kill is appreciated for our trophy room :)

This is why I stated I wasn't sure if it counts as a theft when it is general use stuff, even though the rules are pointed out on our Corp bulletin board, and by MOTD and such, that you are only to take what you need for the fit at hand, for special ships such as collapsing WH's, and for other reasons like Warp Bubbles and ammunition, spare modules Corp members donated to the Corp for there use to be shared if needed, it does state that you only take what you need, and nothing is to be taken for sale or personal hoarding, so I don't know if that will count as theft, or something else.. I will leave that up to you fine people to work that out.

Roles were set correctly, only general use hanger was accessible by all members, and other subsequent tabs were made rank specific, I do not know if there is another way to do this?

Zero proof? I can't link the zKill of the Hauler that was killed moving out stuff, I don't know how to prove it another way either, other then after that death, and after our members attempt to run him out of the WH once he returned, he left the Corporation before I could log in and has hence rejected all attempts at civil contact, so I am at a loss of what to do now, hence the thread :)

Isn't there a rule about posting API's on the forums.. I am not 100%.. Just don't want to get banned for doing something..

But what will my API show you? Or are you just trying to prove that it wasn't myself who took the items and is looking to blame it on someone else? I am new to this forum in case you have not noticed :P still don't know the in's and out's.

Notice of Appearance: I have been retained by the OP to represent her interest in this case.

I am currently fact finding and request the courts indulgence

I almost feel bad here. You are far, far too trusting. Allow me to stop being a **** for a moment, and help you because you posted on your main and not some scrub forum alt.

Please read the C&P laws. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=426574&find=unread

As far as I am aware, no rule exsists to prevent you from posting API keys. (But seriously man, that would be a very, very bad idea in here, especially as you are a WH corp CEO.)

There are other ways to setup roles, depending on how many POS you use, using a combination of SMA's and SCA's. Those can be restricted per person, and ships are moved from one hanger to another, never stored in SMA's or CHA's. Its a "buffer" if you will.

As a general rule, especially in WH space, there is no "open hanger" for anything. Members that havent been with you for several months shouldnt even have access to ammo hangers. If they need it, there is no reason a director cannot give it to them personally. Excess crap also shouldnt even be in the towers. Bring your ships in fitted with only the swap outs youll need to use in your doctrines (oh yeah, HAVE A DOCTRINE, in case you dont already.)

Anyhow. You may now send myself 100m isk for my services.

WOahwoahwoah...

Paying back members? No man, dont do that either. You are personally taking the responsibility for their shared ignorance in the theft of their items. It shouldnt have been there if it was profitable enough to steal, and thats something they need to learn too. Also, tell them to get the random faction garbage that im sure they have laying in their hangers OUT and stored in a station in K-space. Im talking deadspace armor reppers, faction warp disruptors, stuff like that. And if you are kitchin sinking fleets on WH roams... wow man, dont faction fit. Develop a doctrine your members can all fly with and stick with it until they know it in and out. Not just why the fits work, but HOW they work, and the mechanics behind them. It makes a difference in combat, I assure you.

How long have you been in J-space?

Your honor, I move the case be dismissed due to OP's inability to cognitively represent himself. I can see this man is not a Nitshe alt, and that is the extent of my duties.

NO.
Dammit it's been too long since the last there will be a trial. Also we haven't yet determined whether the accused are Nitshe ALT's yet

Most Honorable Judge

I must insist that the court rule in my clients favor for the following reasons.

In pass cases the court has held a minimum amount of proof is required to show a person is guilty and the op is not. one of those proofs is an attempt by the op to stop the theft in action. my client was not able to activate her pod at the time. But by the code of J space a near by corporation had seen him running and put an end to his activity.

Secondly, Nitche has not ever offered his own money to right a wrong done to him as my client has done here. She has placed an active bounty on the person in question.

Third, the op had posted in a clear and readable format, and has accepted advice from others. something Nitche will never do.

Fourth , in some of my past filings i have stated nitche would try to do this. to actually steal from a corp and get a Honest CEO blamed for it.

The only thing my client is guilty of is being a new CEO. And she has accepted that and is trying to learn.

Does that sound like nitche to you?

*mic drop*

it is theft. You can steal something that has been entrusted to your care...period. We may also have a burglary if the suspect had the intent to steal the merchandise when joining the corp. This Person is a Criminal and from my experience will continue on this path until caught. prosecuted, and rehebilitated.

484. (a) Every person who shall feloniously steal, take, carry,
lead, or drive away the personal property of another, or who shall
fraudulently appropriate property which has been entrusted to him or
her, or who shall knowingly and designedly, by any false or
fraudulent representation or pretense, defraud any other person of
money, labor or real or personal property, or who causes or procures
others to report falsely of his or her wealth or mercantile character
and by thus imposing upon any person, obtains credit and thereby
fraudulently gets or obtains possession of money, or property or
obtains the labor or service of another, is guilty of theft. In
determining the value of the property obtained, for the purposes of
this section, the reasonable and fair market value shall be the test,
and in determining the value of services received the contract price
shall be the test. If there be no contract price, the reasonable and
going wage for the service rendered shall govern. For the purposes
of this section, any false or fraudulent representation or pretense
made shall be treated as continuing, so as to cover any money,
property or service received as a result thereof, and the complaint,
information or indictment may charge that the crime was committed on
any date during the particular period in question. The hiring of any
additional employee or employees without advising each of them of
every labor claim due and unpaid and every judgment that the employer
has been unable to meet shall be prima facie evidence of intent to
defraud.