Ships & Modules

Lower tracking is lower tracking, it still hurts damage application. I imagine they'd work wonders against other battleships.

One expensive, semi-bonused faction hull does not a viable battleship logi option make.

Mobility? Covert cloak? EWar strength? T1 Ewar battleships wouldn't have any of these.

Battleships did not become flawed. It's not as if something happened and they became broken (aside from the warp speed changes).

The problem is that other ships evolved around them while battleships largely remained constant. T3s, bombers, HACs, supers, et al. Even Marauders, and to a lesser extent Black Ops, have evolved. These ships have coexisted with battleships for a long time, but all of them have seen multiple improvements over time whereas battleships have not.

It's long overdue time that CCP evolved battleships.

With tiericide, CCP did a reasonably good job with frigates and cruisers. They evolved into ships with distinct roles, the roles were diverse, and T1 ships still had a place with rookie/disposable fleets even in the presence of T2s and T3s. While tiericide certainly helped battleships, it didn't give them individual roles like it did with other classes. Aside from the Scorpion and arguably the 'Geddon they all fill the same role as front-line combat ships. Sure, some of them are faster, some of them are tankier, and some of them use different weapons, but there are no clear role breakdowns.

Imagine if instead of logi, EWar, fast combat cruiser, and tanky combat cruiser, all we got out of tiericide was four combat cruisers (unless you were Caldari, and then you kept the Blackbird). This is pretty much what has happened to battleships over time.

To become relevant again, battleships need a purpose.


I don't claim to know what that purpose is, and if I did I'd be posting it in F&I instead of here. But I do know that they need some role to fill because, by and large, their roles are currently being filled much more effectively by other ships and as long as that is the case battleships will suffer.

Are battleships dead? No, and I've posted as such in other threads. But there's a huge difference between being "not dead" and "relevant". To be relevant again, CCP needs to finish tiericide and evolve battleships.

A very interesting comparison, but how about a more realistic comparison like:

Rail Protues vs Rail Astarte?

RailGu vs Rail Vulture?

Beam Legion vs Beam Absolution?

No point in mentioning the Loki cause it sucks apples and can't compare to a Sleipnir.

The very fact you are comparing a cruiser with a t2 battlecruiser to try to show T3s are not overpowered shows just how overpowered they are.

The very fact you are comparing a cruiser with a t2 battlecruiser to try to show T3s are not overpowered shows just how overpowered they are.

It's no secret that no T2 Cruisers can compete with their T3 counters, so I went up a class. I wanted for someone to give me an accurate comparison from a T3C to a CS. If they are better than CSs, then yes I agree that they are OP and CCP should change them accordingly to fall in between T2Cs and CSs (also buff CSs).

T3Destroyers are actually not as cancerous as they used to be - The non-Defensive mode resist profile is worse than that of T2 equivalents, and I would have given them only 1 Rig slot.

The Augmented Plating sub-systems along with T2 resist profile on T3 cruisers is a broken concept, however. The subs were reduced from 10% Hp bonus to 7.5% not long ago, and still they are bloated EHP-wise.

1 Rig Slot??? Are you serious? There is a huge difference between balancing something or making it obsolete. I guarantee that no one would've bothered with the T3Ds if they had only 1 rig slot.

This is where they should be. CCP will be making savage nerfs to T3s and it is long overdue.