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Jackdaw or Confessor for solo fw?

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Captn Balu
Doomheim
#1 - 2015-07-01 11:19:26 UTC
Hello!

I´m pretty new in eve and i want to fly an T3 destroyer (mainly solo) in fw. I know that Svipul are very good for solo pvp, but i dont like them. i want to play confessor or jackdaw but i dont know what i should prefer for solo pvp.
Doctor Knuckles
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2015-07-01 15:31:19 UTC
Captn Balu wrote:
Hello!

I´m pretty new in eve and i want to fly an T3 destroyer (mainly solo) in fw. I know that Svipul are very good for solo pvp, but i dont like them. i want to play confessor or jackdaw but i dont know what i should prefer for solo pvp.




you like armor tanking? confessor. you like lasers? confessor.

you like shield tanking? jackdaw. you like missiles/rockets? jackdaw.
Captn Balu
Doomheim
#3 - 2015-07-01 16:30:02 UTC
Doctor Knuckles wrote:

you like armor tanking? confessor. you like lasers? confessor.

you like shield tanking? jackdaw. you like missiles/rockets? jackdaw.

I like the rockets (above all the animation) and i like shield tank, but i dont like the weakness of the missiles against active tank and fast kiting ships. And i like lasers but i hate really the trackings problems.
Fractal Fox
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2015-07-01 17:43:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Fractal Fox
Captn Balu wrote:

I like the rockets (above all the animation) and i like shield tank, but i dont like the weakness of the missiles against active tank and fast kiting ships. And i like lasers but i hate really the trackings problems.


Pick your poison. Unfortunately, this game tries to be balanced, so you have to accept some natural weakness and try and compensate for it by picking your fights, fitting your ship well, and training relevant skills. At the end of the day, you really should pick what seems cooler or what lowers your skill queue for a future ship.
Paranoid Loyd
#5 - 2015-07-01 18:27:01 UTC
Fractal Fox wrote:
Unfortunately, this game tries to be balanced.
You would prefer something else?

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

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Iyokus Patrouette
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2015-07-01 22:23:34 UTC
Hecate.

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Arla Sarain
#7 - 2015-07-01 22:51:21 UTC
Captn Balu wrote:
Doctor Knuckles wrote:

you like armor tanking? confessor. you like lasers? confessor.

you like shield tanking? jackdaw. you like missiles/rockets? jackdaw.

I like the rockets (above all the animation) and i like shield tank, but i dont like the weakness of the missiles against active tank and fast kiting ships. And i like lasers but i hate really the trackings problems.

I get the impression that rocket Jackdaw can effortlessly break active tanks. Myabe shield are slightly tough, but in general, even with low alpha, the consistent deeps will end up getting in between the rep cycles.
Demerius Xenocratus
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2015-07-03 17:18:29 UTC
Just get a Svipul. It's vastly OP compared to the other two.
Doctor Knuckles
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2015-07-03 17:49:52 UTC
Demerius Xenocratus wrote:
Just get a Svipul. It's vastly OP compared to the other two.



Not true, they each have their use

Svipul isn't nearly as deadly as a beam confessor at range, and has lower dps at close

Compared to jackdaw, it can't orbit at 30 kms going 3.5k/s + in speed mode with an align time of 2 secs while still hitting no problem, at close range jackdaw has better range control and tanks more
Pew Terror
All of it
#10 - 2015-07-06 21:06:23 UTC
Doctor Knuckles wrote:
Demerius Xenocratus wrote:
Just get a Svipul. It's vastly OP compared to the other two.



Not true, they each have their use

Svipul isn't nearly as deadly as a beam confessor at range, and has lower dps at close

Compared to jackdaw, it can't orbit at 30 kms going 3.5k/s + in speed mode with an align time of 2 secs while still hitting no problem, at close range jackdaw has better range control and tanks more


That is only if you forgot to draw with your finger on the svipul hulls spacedust. Draw things like '+3', 'holy' or 'of dragonslaying'.
Plato Forko
123 Fake Street
#11 - 2015-07-07 01:00:19 UTC
Captn Balu wrote:
I like the rockets (above all the animation) and i like shield tank, but i dont like the weakness of the missiles against active tank and fast kiting ships. And i like lasers but i hate really the trackings problems.


to be fair there aren't a lot of people flying around looking for Jackdaws in ships specifically fast enough to outrun missiles. Javelin missiles will hit most targets, or at least be enough of a hassle that you'll have a good opportunity to slip point and warp off. Damps aren't going to be a problem either since there's enough range in Sharpshooter mode to pretty much ignore them.

Caldari ships are kind of meh overall but the Jackdaw stats look great and there's a lot to be said for a flying swiss army knife that can mount weapons and tank capable of carrying on no matter how rough the going gets.

Confessor is basically just a T2 Coercer and for all its tank and DPS capabilities it's nothing more than a shiny rock in space the instant the cap runs dry.
Syrias Bizniz
some random local shitlords
#12 - 2015-07-08 08:35:15 UTC
Do T3D fit into smalls?
Yang Aurilen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#13 - 2015-07-08 12:38:57 UTC
yes

Post with your NPC alt main and not your main main alt!

Syrilian
Doomheim
#14 - 2015-07-08 13:41:04 UTC
Syrias Bizniz wrote:
Do T3D fit into smalls?


Unfortunately.
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#15 - 2015-07-08 17:33:25 UTC
If I had to choose between a Jackdaw and a Svipul, I'd prolly go with the Jackdaw. Jackdaw has more mid slots so you can sport a comparable tank to the Svipul, while having slots left for scram and a web. Sure your dps won't be as stellar as the Svipul, but it is still more than enough.
Doctor Knuckles
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2015-07-10 16:12:39 UTC
Estella Osoka wrote:
If I had to choose between a Jackdaw and a Svipul, I'd prolly go with the Jackdaw. Jackdaw has more mid slots so you can sport a comparable tank to the Svipul, while having slots left for scram and a web. Sure your dps won't be as stellar as the Svipul, but it is still more than enough.



tank "comparable" to svipul?

dude, jackdaw's tank can get to "LOL puny gila trying to kill me how CUTE" level
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#17 - 2015-07-10 21:17:08 UTC
Doctor Knuckles wrote:
Estella Osoka wrote:
If I had to choose between a Jackdaw and a Svipul, I'd prolly go with the Jackdaw. Jackdaw has more mid slots so you can sport a comparable tank to the Svipul, while having slots left for scram and a web. Sure your dps won't be as stellar as the Svipul, but it is still more than enough.



tank "comparable" to svipul?

dude, jackdaw's tank can get to "LOL puny gila trying to kill me how CUTE" level


Exactly my point, but you don't have to tank it that much. When you do, you're gimping something else. I use a 3 slot tank, prop mod, web, scram. It's not cap stable, but what good pvp ship is?
pushdogg
relocation LLC.
#18 - 2015-07-13 20:55:56 UTC
Doctor Knuckles wrote:
Estella Osoka wrote:
If I had to choose between a Jackdaw and a Svipul, I'd prolly go with the Jackdaw. Jackdaw has more mid slots so you can sport a comparable tank to the Svipul, while having slots left for scram and a web. Sure your dps won't be as stellar as the Svipul, but it is still more than enough.



tank "comparable" to svipul?

dude, jackdaw's tank can get to "LOL puny gila trying to kill me how CUTE" level


Qft.
SFM Hobb3s
Perkone
Caldari State
#19 - 2015-07-17 19:32:21 UTC
Plato Forko wrote:
Captn Balu wrote:
I like the rockets (above all the animation) and i like shield tank, but i dont like the weakness of the missiles against active tank and fast kiting ships. And i like lasers but i hate really the trackings problems.




Confessor is basically just a T2 Coercer and for all its tank and DPS capabilities it's nothing more than a shiny rock in space the instant the cap runs dry.



Never had any cap problems running a beam confessor, and I've used them extensively in nullsec battles ongrid with several hundred enemy. And lived. And blapped many ships. It all boils down to how well you fly it.


As for Hecate...I'm trying sniper variants of this one as well. The volleys are somewhat smaller than confessor although the dps is supposed to be comparable (and better tracking on Hecate too). Still undecided. I actually think there is 'shock' value to the Confessors volleys. If you are in any kind of frig or smaller if you haven't reacted immediately to that first volley from 80km away you are pretty much dead by the time the next one hits.
Starbuck05
Abiding Ormolus
#20 - 2015-07-22 19:16:01 UTC
If your new to pvp i would suggest the jackdaw...you can pretty much stand still , tank and shoot ..if target gets out of range switch to sharpshooter ..maybe you won't kill em but if they run away you still technicaly win.

Just because i am blond does not make me stoopid !

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