EVE General Discussion

Hey Guys,

A few days ago I got in contact with a guy who decided to come down to Stain with nothing but a Prospect and ship/module blueprints. When I spoke to him on TS I found myself getting excited about the possibilities of what he can achieve here and he plans to build stuff on site for sale on the market.

It's great that miner/industrial types are interested in this because they are the ones who lay the foundation which makes most things possible.

There are some good people involved who have been carefully selected and I am surprised they are so easy to get along with, everyone involved is thinking in the same way and I have high hopes for this episode. Sorry to disappoint , but if you're waiting for drama I don't think its gonna happen.

We have some good FC's here too who have the potential to grow with the support of the community, the fleet I joined last night got 1 kill which was very well executed.

I am a happy man at the moment because Hub Zero seems to be working.

I hope to see more of you here soon.

I love the idea of hub zero on paper!!!! But..... In practicality hub zero isn't really possible.

From my understanding the two goals of hub zero are:

1. Live in NPC null.
2. No corporations, No alliances, no political BS!!!

The problem is though that in order to live in null safely you have to have teamwork, cooperation, and leadership. Almost every post the OP makes about hub zero is about teamwork, blueing each other out, intel channels, markets to develop, ect.... In other words a corporation. It's not really possible to live in null AND have a trade hub without organization in the same way a corporation or alliance is organized.

There are plenty of trade hubs in null space. I think that instead of hub zero where no one is in the same corporation but expected not to shoot each other, you can achieve pretty much the same thing in a large SOV alliance.

No, thats not what I am saying. A few people can play together and have fun without being a corp.

What I am saying is that in order to work together on a large scale and have things in hub zero like intel, a market, coordination between pilots, blueing everyone out, jump freighter service, ect... you have to have a corp like structure. Even if everyone out there is not in the same corp, you guys are essentially a corp that does not call itself a corp.

Decided to come down for the PvP against what looked like rather mad Russians who don't have much back up as the main group is now gorging on sov, arrived after a drunken bit of smack in local with a guy that used to be blue, headed up to where the main Russian group was, had some fun fights and lost a ship in glorious space combat. Was fun, its seems like Stain is going back to what I saw in 2010.

Not getting involved in Hub Zero leadership, just supporting where I feel happy and having fun, one day in and all is cool.

EDIT: Came down for the fun fights, sadly there was an impediment to that fun which forced our corp FC to withdraw from Hub Zero leadership and us to go our separate ways, I tried to head it off which meant having to intervene but sadly couldn't stop it, the issue being Aarons inability to follow the acting FC's orders, his continuous undermining of the acting FC, even jumping in to try and take over when he had no idea what was going on and unilaterally making decisions by sending de facto mails on doctrines that the other leaders had not agreed with or had disagreed with them, we just got fed up with that and the drama around it. As a result we have relocated so as not to get in the way of the development of Hub Zero and was able to stay blue with many of the Hub Zero members with one notable exception sadly. One of the blues was the third leader and he has formed his own coalition which we have joined under his leadership.

Hub Zero is now under Aaron's sole leadership which is for the best I think as its Aarons show or no show so to speak, sadly he has reset us and anyone who is blue with us for Aaron reasons, but no matter what happens we wish Aaron luck and hope he achieves what he is after. For my part I thought that a very good and likeable FC who made fleets fun would draw in people, Aaron disagreed which sadly is his prerogative.

EDIT 2: Aaron just needs to get on and do it, like he did with the first Hub Zero. I came to Stain and had a great time as a new player in 2010, as I got more experienced and knew more about the game I moved on into Sov space. Aaron creates interesting content and is very good fun for newer players who want to do small team stuff. If you are interested in playing Eve as it should be when you are new and excited and have limited PvP experience then Aaron and Hub Zero would be a good bet, I can assure you it will not be boring.

The criticism I have above are because we are all old players with high SP and a lot more experience than Aaron in different areas of the game, Aaron is more focussed on how to get the best out of newer players in Stain, so of course we cannot agree, but that intervention on making my corp FC the lead FC was not to try to be a leader in HZ, it was a suggestion so that my Corp FC could deal with poor fleet discipline better which Aaron rejected.

Confirming the above, although I'm not sure if Hecate can do this, and at any rate I suggest to make a few training warps to feel the timing, you can't just mash it ASAP and get desirable result.

Although I would like to point out that last time I've checked, you can switch modes without dropping gate cloak. That helps a bit.

Aaron,

I think it's great that you are having another go at this. If I were more involved in the game, I could probably be convinced to drop down to help scout and blow stuff up. I like being able to come home from work and run a few missions with very few interruptions at my own pace and at my leisure.

Keep us posted on how things are going. That includes successes and failures. For those of us on the fence about this endeavor, it would help to have all the information so we can make intelligent, informed decisions.

Love,
Kimmi

XOXO

Well, I've analysed this Svipul loss and I can see clearly where my mistakes were made;

- I was warping through a system where I knew the occupants and I knew their capabilities
- I should have acknowledged that they had a lookout a few jumps out on either side of the pipe
- They are very good at what they do and they have a near 100% efficiency on Zkill
- I was using my alt where the navigation skills are not Lv5, with Aaron I would have bridged that 900m shortfall with ease.
- If I had scouted with a frig and pod worth under 5m I would have noticed the Vigilant sitting on the gate and cloaked up and got a cup of tea.

I did switch to propulsion mode while jump cloaked and then attempted gatecrash, the Vigilant managed to get a super quick lock on me and was able to slow me down enough to kill me due to its bonuses, there was also a sabre for bubble and extra DPS.

So as you can see there are lots of thought processes that go into simply surviving in Stain, I've now revised my play style and for scouting I will use a cloaky nano rifter with a T1 fit worth under 5m. If I lose it no big deal, at least this way I'll lose less on gates.

Hi,

There is talk of a solid fleet doctrine going on at the moment and if it works out it may become a common site in our security fleets. What we need from the community are more industrialists here helping us to secure production of this said ship and I can promise you top prices will be paid directly from our replenishment fund quickly.

There is some urgency to get the ball rolling on this so please feel free to contact me directly or come to chat channel "Hub-Zero Public"

Currently we have 2 guys doing industry that have a limited play time due to RL would be great if we could kick start a bigger ship supply and demand chain.

I've got high hopes for this, if we can get it off the ground we should be able to provide a secure area for pve'ers and such.

Things are still looking good for Hub Zero, I have been talking to a few influential people and in principle an investor has agreed to finance operations to secure the area. We also have another investor who has set the wheels in motion for supplying ships.

I do find this all very interesting regarding the investor who wants to finance security operations, I think it is great how his goals are aligned with mine and he has a different perspective on achieving the goal of a secure area. I will explore this idea and I will keep in mind that some people may see this as charity because I know people like to put the work in and build themselves up rather than having someone fund them. This is one of our options that can deal with our ship supply issue.

Focusing on all of the silent readers who have subscribed to this and are thinking about coming down, we could really use your assistance now. I know we can do this and prove that we are in control of the path Eve can take. You are so much more powerful than you know and I've always and still do believe this. We just need to stay away from the drama and politics regarding whats possible and whats not, we need to carefully try out ideas and not be afraid of making a mistake. We can make a safe area of space for small corps and alliances to work together and build an economy which we will all benefit from.

I'm still very excited about this.

I really hope to speak with some new fresh faces soon, small corps/alliances, bitter vets, noobs, you're all welcome here and there's lots of love and respect to go around.

Honestly the issue is the skill level the pilots controlling that system have, they are very skilled and placed scouts 2 jumps out from both directions. What they generally do is have a look at what you're flying before you get there and they have the specific ships ready to disrupt any gate survival tactic that exists. If you're heading that way it's more a question of a very long wait or limiting your loss.

Normally your tactic would work when dealing with most other areas in Stain, If you go on Zkill and search by Stain region, have a look at who gets the most kills so you can see the people i'm on about.