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Counter-Aegis Project

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bardghost Isu
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#1 - 2015-06-29 12:23:48 UTC  |  Edited by: bardghost Isu
Many of you may not have seen me here before and may not trust this as it is from a stranger but I feel that a combined and co-ordinated response to the drifter threat is needed, Therefore I have created this project to do as such.


As you may have all read on the 27/6/YC117 a drifter fleet engaged a capsuleer gathering in the remains of the Mekhios battleground. The capsuleer's returned fire and successfully managed to destroy that drifter fleet after learning that the drifters shield's had been damaged. It is vital that we learn from what happened that day and learn how to combat the drifters.


The aim's of this project are to:

1) Find and discuss tactics that work against the drifter's.

2) Organises ourselves and have the ability to combat any drifter threat that we encounter.

3) Find a way to weaken their shield's as in the battle and/or to prevent use of their superweapon.

4) Finally to know that it has become our duty to protect the new eden cluster as corcord seem unwilling to.


So please help with this and contribute anything usefull, But please do not start arguing about cultural differences as we are all in this together. Thank you
Foley Aberas Jones
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2 - 2015-06-29 12:46:05 UTC
Pew Pew seems to be a valid tactic
bardghost Isu
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#3 - 2015-06-29 12:52:51 UTC
Foley Aberas Jones wrote:
Pew Pew seems to be a valid tactic

Until They Use Their Super Weapon And You Go Boom Boom.... Serious note though is that i feel we will see more drifter fleets warping in on people so we need to be organised
Foley Aberas Jones
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#4 - 2015-06-29 13:13:46 UTC
bardghost Isu wrote:
Foley Aberas Jones wrote:
Pew Pew seems to be a valid tactic

Until They Use Their Super Weapon And You Go Boom Boom.... Serious note though is that i feel we will see more drifter fleets warping in on people so we need to be organised



WELL THE TACTIC WORKS FOR THEM

**** i don't anything about you Capsuleers and your tactics...i just assume you shoot things until explosions
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2015-06-29 13:20:16 UTC
I haven't yet had need to fight any Drifter forces since they completely ignore me. I do have poor relations with the Amarr Empire though, maybe this is why?

How much does it take to know a BS out once the overshield is gone? I would suggest maybe trying a mixed fleet of high dps to take the outer shield down to a very low value and then a high alpha fleet to wipe out the target in one strike before it can use it's DD. Kind of a hammer and anvil approach.
bardghost Isu
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#6 - 2015-06-29 13:20:44 UTC  |  Edited by: bardghost Isu
How many ships do we lose though ? The aim of this project is to save ships and deal with drifters more effectively

Aimed 2 Posts Up, Timing was bad
bardghost Isu
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#7 - 2015-06-29 13:22:59 UTC  |  Edited by: bardghost Isu
Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:
I haven't yet had need to fight any Drifter forces since they completely ignore me. I do have poor relations with the Amarr Empire though, maybe this is why?

How much does it take to know a BS out once the overshield is gone? I would suggest maybe trying a mixed fleet of high dps to take the outer shield down to a very low value and then a high alpha fleet to wipe out the target in one strike before it can use it's DD. Kind of a hammer and anvil approach.


From what i know they one shot a BS after overshield is gone. And the hammer and anvil may just work, Another thought i had was to use something to break their locks just after you take out the overshield.


Also the drifters have now been actively finding and killing people they only did it under certain circumstances, but the attack in Mekhios was something different all together and I fear it may become more common.
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2015-06-29 13:27:54 UTC
bardghost Isu wrote:
Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:
I haven't yet had need to fight any Drifter forces since they completely ignore me. I do have poor relations with the Amarr Empire though, maybe this is why?

How much does it take to know a BS out once the overshield is gone? I would suggest maybe trying a mixed fleet of high dps to take the outer shield down to a very low value and then a high alpha fleet to wipe out the target in one strike before it can use it's DD. Kind of a hammer and anvil approach.


From what i know they one shot a BS after overshield is gone. And the hammer and anvil may just work, Another thought i had was to use something to break their locks just after you take out the overshield.


Also the drifters have now been actively finding and killing people they only did it under certain circumstances, but the attack in Mekhios was something different all together and I fear it may become more common.


My point was to chip the overshield down with sustained dps rapidly but then alpha the remaining overshield along with the rest of the BS before it can use the DD.
Jaret Victorian
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#9 - 2015-06-29 13:48:16 UTC
Hello, Mr. Bardghost. I'd like to invite you to Arek'Jaalan comm channel. You'll find a lot of concerned capsuleers there.

On a sidenote, if Drifters were more coordinated with their fire that day, they'd obliterate Amarr forces with ease.
Anyanka Funk
Doomheim
#10 - 2015-06-29 15:07:09 UTC
Jaret Victorian wrote:
Hello, Mr. Bardghost. I'd like to invite you to Arek'Jaalan comm channel. You'll find a lot of concerned capsuleers there.

On a sidenote, if Drifters were more coordinated with their fire that day, they'd obliterate Amarr forces with ease.


I read that as drifters need a better fc.
bardghost Isu
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#11 - 2015-06-29 16:48:45 UTC
Jaret Victorian wrote:
Hello, Mr. Bardghost. I'd like to invite you to Arek'Jaalan comm channel. You'll find a lot of concerned capsuleers there.

On a sidenote, if Drifters were more coordinated with their fire that day, they'd obliterate Amarr forces with ease.


Thank you for the Invitation and it shall be Accepted. We need to work together to combat this force and it is great that people are already doing so.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#12 - 2015-06-29 21:40:07 UTC
Probably they are just soulless drones indeed if they can't get themselves proper commander among themselves and shoot the primary. In a sentient society most merited person assumes command rather fast.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#13 - 2015-06-30 04:06:50 UTC
On this topic, I have been working to get back into active space employment. One of my main directives is working with studying and counter of these. Few will remember, but I was quite involved in the initial Sansha uprisings. Which organizations are currently focused and actively countering the drifter threat?

To quote Lfod Shi

The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.

bardghost Isu
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#14 - 2015-06-30 10:34:18 UTC
Markus Reese wrote:
On this topic, I have been working to get back into active space employment. One of my main directives is working with studying and counter of these. Few will remember, but I was quite involved in the initial Sansha uprisings. Which organizations are currently focused and actively countering the drifter threat?


So far this thread and the Arek'Jaalan project that I know of, Arek'Jaalan is a much more established organization and are focusing on very much the same as I wanted to here. There may be more out there, I know some capsuleers are out there working very hard to help with this and I applaud them work their efforts
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#15 - 2015-06-30 10:42:35 UTC
Certain A'J members have crafted line fleets which are relatively cheap yet solid enough to stand up to reasonable numbers of drifters though these line fleets are intended to simply trade ships at a 1 to 1 ratio with drifters due to the super weapon.
And other A'J members have worked out ways to exploit the combat doctrines and responses of drifters when found in isolated numbers to take them without ship loss, but these methods don't scale well to large actions as they rely on perfect weapon control and timing which larger battles lose.

With regards to the super weapon and shields, there is no known weapon available to capsuleers that is capable of stopping the super weapon in a fleet situation. You have to use one of the aforementioned exploits to throw their targeting system into a loop. And there is no known system which can weaken a ships shields in the way you are suggesting either. Or it would be used on a daily basis against other capsuleers.
bardghost Isu
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#16 - 2015-06-30 11:11:28 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Certain A'J members have crafted line fleets which are relatively cheap yet solid enough to stand up to reasonable numbers of drifters though these line fleets are intended to simply trade ships at a 1 to 1 ratio with drifters due to the super weapon.
And other A'J members have worked out ways to exploit the combat doctrines and responses of drifters when found in isolated numbers to take them without ship loss, but these methods don't scale well to large actions as they rely on perfect weapon control and timing which larger battles lose.

With regards to the super weapon and shields, there is no known weapon available to capsuleers that is capable of stopping the super weapon in a fleet situation. You have to use one of the aforementioned exploits to throw their targeting system into a loop. And there is no known system which can weaken a ships shields in the way you are suggesting either. Or it would be used on a daily basis against other capsuleers.


Would it not be possible to set off an ECM burst within range of them when they are charging super weapon or are they immune to it ?
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#17 - 2015-06-30 11:14:47 UTC
bardghost Isu wrote:

Would it not be possible to set off an ECM burst within range of them when they are charging super weapon or are they immune to it ?

They are near enough immune to ECM. After the early use of ECM to shut down their computer systems, they started mounting some form of highly advanced ECCM systems sending their sensor strengths to basically unjammable levels. It may be possible with extreme luck to jam them but not with any reliability.
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2015-06-30 11:16:40 UTC
Do sensor damps work, or have they countered that too?
Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
#19 - 2015-06-30 11:20:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Makkal Hanaya
Anyanka Funk wrote:
I read that as drifters need a better fc.

I would agree with that. Though their ship are powerful, their tactics were amateurish.

Maybe they don't know how to fight as a group.

Diana Kim wrote:
Probably they are just soulless drones indeed if they can't get themselves proper commander among themselves and shoot the primary. In a sentient society most merited person assumes command rather fast.

Having watched a few people be 'groomed' to be an FC, a proper commander has been a non-commander in a large number of fleet battles, knows the tactics and capabilities of their enemies, and has another proper commander to learn from.

If someone was leading the Drifter fleet, it's possible none of these things were true for them.

It's possible that we're an outside context problem for the Drifters.

Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:
Do sensor damps work, or have they countered that too?

I believe they've attacked cloaked ships that have invaded their territory, so their sensors are more sophisticated than our own.

Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's.

bardghost Isu
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#20 - 2015-06-30 12:12:38 UTC
Target Breakers ?
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