Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Explain why you think more risky shares, Pirate shares for example, would fall in price? There wouldn't be an increase in long term supply unless more people started running the missions. There are items in the store that only those shares could purchase. So a cheaper share can't be used to buy slave implants. Why would the price fall?

Also, why would your share value, say Sisters of Eve or an Empire's Navy shares, rise in price? If anything it should fall in price as a missive amount of shares that people have left dormant in their wallets would depress the price. On the long term if any share price is worth more than 1-1.2k/share it would make sense for people to shift to running those missions, which would cause an increase in supply, and therefore depress prices. Why would the price rise?

In other words, Syrias Bizniz is likely to be correct as that is how our current understanding of supply and demand economics works. Why is he wrong?

I know that different LP has different values. Pirate LP is worth more than Navy LP. You claimed that Pirate LP prices will fall and your (I am guessing Navy or SoE) LP prices will rise. But why? I am arguing that there is no economical foundation for your claim. Knowing basic supply and demand would lead to the conclusion that Gurristas shares will still be worth more than Caldari Navy shares. Why wouldn't they be? You tell me.

okay, again, for clarification, as you seem to not have understood the whole proposal here.

current system:
you farm for caldari navy, you get caldari navy lp, only redeemable at caldari navy lp stores.

you farm for guristas, you get guristas lp, only redeemable at guristas lp stores.


new, proposed system:
you farm for caldari navy, you get caldari navy shares, which you can sell on the market, where someone can buy them and only turn them in at the caldari navy store.

you farm for guristas, you get guristas shares, which you can sell on the market, where someone can buy them and only turn them in at the guristas store.


now it's your turn in making an educated statement on how your ****** 1k isk/ lp caldari navy lp (or shares, to be accurate) would have any impact on the value of guristas shares.



also, lol, 1k isk/lp in highsec, change your corp dude, you're fcking yourself.


another thing to keep in mind: if your shares are worth 1k isk per piece, then that is because the most commom items from that corps lp store have a market value that runs down to 1k isk per lp spent plus all the other stuff.
you would never achieve a marketprice for your plain, tradeable shares of 1k isk, but below. the difference is the traders margin.
if you want the full value, you have to redeem the shares onyour own and sell the items on your own. selling the shares is just a way to get isk quicker, but you cut your profits in doing so.

theyd still have to farm the lp first. if they decide they want an easy but less profitable cash out, then it's a chance for everyone else to make isk from their decision.

just like a miner can sell the ore in remote systems if he wants to cash out quickly, where he has to live with the lower profit.

what's your point again?


edit: right niw, you can purchase ammo (or anything else, really) from the lp store and sell it right there, not hauling it to jita first. Boom, there's your easy way. it's in the game already.

So there ia already an easy way to capitalize on LP with minimal effort. Why would we then need to introduce another means for players to capitalize quickly?

Everything is already there for players to utilize the LP they are rewarded with, nothing new is required.

I can't be bothered with the maths but if you can convert you LP in the form of shares into isk in ~10 mins by using an interceptor to get to a hub in safety and dump the lot instead of say an hour to convert all LP and safely haul the modules and sell them you then have 50 mins of your usual LP/hr rate that you wouldn't have had before. Time is isk, this would take less time and effort and so makes the player more isk in the same time with less effort and less risk.

How can this "lower risk" when the LP still have to be redeemed at an LP store the same way they always did?

If anything, this increases the liklehood of "jackpot" ganks when some dude tries to corner the market in IN Small Neuts or something and redeems 60M IN LP in one go.

A) gankers are always saying if you fly properly you can pretty much avoid them

B) if the risk is truly that high then you'll just buy/sell the shares at the main LP centres and not even bother moving them as this makes most sense (since the buyer needs them at the LP centre anyway)

This change is designed to bring more meaningful choices and consequences to LP, and by extension Eve as a whole. Yes, it will likely increase certain risks. That is a side effect. The main effect is people having opportunities to buy, sell trade, scam, and manipulate in new ways. The new opportunities will allow players to build their own story in Eve. I am predicting a good number of stories will be created as a result. I imagine a few of them will go from stories to legends much in the way of the Guiding Hand Social Club heist has. That is Eve. That is what we are creating here.

The results of five pages of talk is that there is no proven detriment to Eve, but many benefits for players to seize upon. I would love to hear more feedback, but IMO it seems pretty much case closed that this would be a good thing for Eve.

That may be true, but one of the reasons why EVE is not picking up players is because it's not really mainstream. Im not talking like WoW mainstream. I mean streamlined. Introducing more loopholes for people to exploit the herd mentality folk just assures that newer players will be hurt more than anyone else in EVE.

I wouldn't flat out say no to this, but I think EVE needs to inspire a different mindset (such as a more chill attitude towards losing and dying, less carebearness and more desire for taking risks) before this could be healthy change.