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A Closed Apology to a Noble Holder

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Matar Ronin
#21 - 2015-06-28 15:31:22 UTC
Samira Kernher wrote:
Makoto Priano wrote:
Once upon a time, I respected PIE deeply. The amount of bleating I've seen on the forum in recent days hasn't done much for that respect, however.


Ms. Priano, you chose to turn the matter into a public fiasco. The only one you can blame for 'bleating on the forum' is yourself. Perhaps you were expecting broad support, but some have no desire to provide assistance to those who blatantly promote civil disobedience.

If you wished a polite and cooperative handling of the situation, perhaps you should have considered keeping the negotiations in the private sphere. PIE's response might have been different had we been contacted directly and away from the public eye. The way you chose to handle this situation, however, has left us with only the option of applying public pressure in the hope of seeing the situation resolved in an expedient and law-abiding manner.
In other words PIE will lie publicly about their position if you confer with them in private first and get their blessing. Thanks for that clarification, good to know their principles are .... um .... flexible.

‘Vain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.’

" We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.

Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#22 - 2015-06-28 15:54:57 UTC
I said nothing about lying, you halfwit.
Jev North
Doomheim
#23 - 2015-06-28 15:59:13 UTC
Splattering like a trash bag filled with vegetable soup.

Even though our love is cruel; even though our stars are crossed.

Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#24 - 2015-06-28 16:01:20 UTC
Samira Kernher wrote:

If you wished a polite and cooperative handling of the situation, perhaps you should have considered keeping the negotiations in the private sphere. PIE's response might have been different had we been contacted directly and away from the public eye. The way you chose to handle this situation, however, has left us with only the option of applying public pressure in the hope of seeing the situation resolved in an expedient and law-abiding manner.


A comforting lie, Kernher. Your organization's response would have been the same as every others': "bend the knee," nevermind that Scherezad-haani, Dr. Celes Tenebrae, and I have never had any means to materially comply with Korachi's demands and hegemonic whims.

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Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#25 - 2015-06-28 16:20:54 UTC
Makoto Priano wrote:
Samira Kernher wrote:

If you wished a polite and cooperative handling of the situation, perhaps you should have considered keeping the negotiations in the private sphere. PIE's response might have been different had we been contacted directly and away from the public eye. The way you chose to handle this situation, however, has left us with only the option of applying public pressure in the hope of seeing the situation resolved in an expedient and law-abiding manner.


A comforting lie, Kernher. Your organization's response would have been the same as every others': "bend the knee," nevermind that Scherezad-haani, Dr. Celes Tenebrae, and I have never had any means to materially comply with Korachi's demands and hegemonic whims.



Perhaps where you are from, group punishments are unheard of. In Amarr, consequences for your associates as a result of your own actions is common. Generational slavery is exactly that. I was born as a slave as punishment for the sins of people thousands of years ago. Such a thing is to encourage people to think of the effects their actions have on others instead of just themselves. This, unfortunately, was a lesson Lord Raholan never seemed to have learned, and now his associates and his entire house will be paying the price for his transgressions. The person you should be blaming is him, not us, and not CONCORD.

So yes, we would have told you to bend the knee. But we would have been more willing to assist you in negotiating for a more lenient response, and it would have been done without the need for public rebuking and formal disassociation. But when you make the matter public, and release private mails, you force a firm and equally public stance.
Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#26 - 2015-06-28 16:24:37 UTC
Subservience, Kernher, is now all I'll ever expect of you.

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Matar Ronin
#27 - 2015-06-28 16:39:44 UTC
Samira Kernher wrote:
Makoto Priano wrote:
Samira Kernher wrote:

If you wished a polite and cooperative handling of the situation, perhaps you should have considered keeping the negotiations in the private sphere. PIE's response might have been different had we been contacted directly and away from the public eye. The way you chose to handle this situation, however, has left us with only the option of applying public pressure in the hope of seeing the situation resolved in an expedient and law-abiding manner.


A comforting lie, Kernher. Your organization's response would have been the same as every others': "bend the knee," nevermind that Scherezad-haani, Dr. Celes Tenebrae, and I have never had any means to materially comply with Korachi's demands and hegemonic whims.



Perhaps where you are from, group punishments are unheard of. In Amarr, consequences for your associates as a result of your own actions is common. Generational slavery is exactly that. I was born as a slave as punishment for the sins of people thousands of years ago. Such a thing is to encourage people to think of the effects their actions have on others instead of just themselves. This, unfortunately, was a lesson Lord Raholan never seemed to have learned, and now his associates and his entire house will be paying the price for his transgressions. The person you should be blaming is him, not us, and not CONCORD.

So yes, we would have told you to bend the knee. But we would have been more willing to assist you in negotiating for a more lenient response, and it would have been done without the need for public rebuking and formal disassociation. But when you make the matter public, and release private mails, you force a firm and equally public stance.
Listen well Caldari allies of the Slavery cult, thousands of years of punishment for being in a group which, do to the perceived transgression of the slavery cult member's unwillingness to comply with a heavy handed CONCORD is coming your way with the blessings of PIE.

Right now it seems like the honorable Caldari have done all they can and their fates are in the hands of the slavery cult member of their "group", choosing dishonorable allies always comes with a price. Currently that price is being set by CONCORD,

The slavery cult is looking for more patsies to join them in a war against the Jove. History tells us how well their last contest went.

Today they outnumbered a force of Drifters who were able to transport into the heart of their domain by methods they cannot match, certainly a tactical challenge in a combat situation, and now they wish to press forward with war!

Stand with them if you choose but pray the Jove do not treat "groups" as severely as the demonic slavery cultist amarrians do.

‘Vain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.’

" We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#28 - 2015-06-28 16:42:59 UTC
Samira Kernher wrote:
Makoto Priano wrote:
Once upon a time, I respected PIE deeply. The amount of bleating I've seen on the forum in recent days hasn't done much for that respect, however.


Ms. Priano, you chose to turn the matter into a public fiasco. The only one you can blame for 'bleating on the forum' is yourself. Perhaps you were expecting broad support, but some have no desire to provide assistance to those who blatantly promote civil disobedience.

Not the first time when she turns matter into a public fiasco.
As for promoting civil disobedience, this isn't just against CONCORD laws, this is against Caldari traditions and laws. I am rather surprised that CEP hasn't issued our own bounty on her head.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#29 - 2015-06-28 16:49:54 UTC
Samira Kernher wrote:
Perhaps where you are from, group punishments are unheard of. In Amarr, consequences for your associates as a result of your own actions is common. Generational slavery is exactly that. I was born as a slave as punishment for the sins of people thousands of years ago. Such a thing is to encourage people to think of the effects their actions have on others instead of just themselves. This, unfortunately, was a lesson Lord Raholan never seemed to have learned, and now his associates and his entire house will be paying the price for his transgressions. The person you should be blaming is him, not us, and not CONCORD.

So yes, we would have told you to bend the knee. But we would have been more willing to assist you in negotiating for a more lenient response, and it would have been done without the need for public rebuking and formal disassociation. But when you make the matter public, and release private mails, you force a firm and equally public stance.

I was invited by the Lord Raholan to conduct a study, under the auspices of a DED observer.

I conducted that study under the auspices of the DED observer.

I presented the findings of that study to both the DED and the Lord Raholan in a timely and professional manner.

For doing what I was asked, by an ally to my State and CEO, and by the legal police authority, I am being threatened with punishment, in order to 'encourage me to think of how my actions affect others'?

That is ridiculous. Specifically, it's a justification. It's so incorrect it's not even wrong - it has no relation to the events going on right now whatsoever. If you see the actions of the DED in this debacle as just, or honourable, or even appropriate, then you have no sense of these words.

Perhaps you need to 'think a little on how your words affect others', and learn to stop upending the barrel of your unfriendly opinions on anything that disagrees with you, miss.
Liam Antolliere
Doomheim
#30 - 2015-06-28 16:51:19 UTC
With respect Lieutenant Kernher,

I completely agree with your assessment that Lord Raholan is at fault for his obstinate refusal to cooperate and continued public opposition to CONCORD. I also agree that at least a portion, perhaps even a majority portion, of the anger and frustration should be directed toward him.

However, the scrupulous individual cannot overlook the fault of CONCORD in this affair either. Group punishment may be acceptable and expected in the Empire but we're not in the Empire, we're in the interstellar political arena. Here, a conscientious effort to recognize the limited capability of the individual to comply with the demands of CONCORD and the acknowledgement of their spirit of cooperation and their demonstrable efforts to comply should not only be expected, it should be strictly upheld.

The blatant disregard for the cooperative efforts of many of the individuals being pursued by CONCORD as well as the extremely heavy-handed and excessive exercise of authority toward those individuals should not be overlooked or considered acceptable.

You may wish to "bend the knee" to CONCORD simply because of their authority, which I commend, but I am not. If we permit CONCORD to continue with such heavy-handed methodology then we'll have no one to blame but ourselves for not standing on ethical principle from the beginning.

"Though the people may hate me, that does not relieve me of my charge."

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#31 - 2015-06-28 17:06:31 UTC
Dear Scherezad-haani, I am sorry you got into this situation, but I could only suggest to petition to CONCORD and plea that you weren't involved in shady affairs of dishonorable Priano.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#32 - 2015-06-28 17:13:39 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Dear Scherezad-haani, I am sorry you got into this situation, but I could only suggest to petition to CONCORD and plea that you weren't involved in shady affairs of dishonorable Priano.

CONCORD was witness to my entire interaction through the DED observer, Kim-haani. I'm not going to grovel for their amusement. If they repay generosity to allies and efficient work with sanctions, I'll wear those sanctions proudly.
Gorion Wassenar
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#33 - 2015-06-28 17:17:55 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
...this is against Caldari traditions...


Which one? The one where the plucky Caldari scientist discovers something monumental?

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Anslo
Scope Works
#34 - 2015-06-28 17:20:48 UTC
Aldrith I love you for this thread please keep it going

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Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#35 - 2015-06-28 17:22:28 UTC
Matar Ronin wrote:
Samira Kernher wrote:
Makoto Priano wrote:
Samira Kernher wrote:

If you wished a polite and cooperative handling of the situation, perhaps you should have considered keeping the negotiations in the private sphere. PIE's response might have been different had we been contacted directly and away from the public eye. The way you chose to handle this situation, however, has left us with only the option of applying public pressure in the hope of seeing the situation resolved in an expedient and law-abiding manner.


A comforting lie, Kernher. Your organization's response would have been the same as every others': "bend the knee," nevermind that Scherezad-haani, Dr. Celes Tenebrae, and I have never had any means to materially comply with Korachi's demands and hegemonic whims.



Perhaps where you are from, group punishments are unheard of. In Amarr, consequences for your associates as a result of your own actions is common. Generational slavery is exactly that. I was born as a slave as punishment for the sins of people thousands of years ago. Such a thing is to encourage people to think of the effects their actions have on others instead of just themselves. This, unfortunately, was a lesson Lord Raholan never seemed to have learned, and now his associates and his entire house will be paying the price for his transgressions. The person you should be blaming is him, not us, and not CONCORD.

So yes, we would have told you to bend the knee. But we would have been more willing to assist you in negotiating for a more lenient response, and it would have been done without the need for public rebuking and formal disassociation. But when you make the matter public, and release private mails, you force a firm and equally public stance.
Listen well Caldari allies of the Slavery cult, thousands of years of punishment for being in a group which, do to the perceived transgression of the slavery cult member's unwillingness to comply with a heavy handed CONCORD is coming your way with the blessings of PIE.

Right now it seems like the honorable Caldari have done all they can and their fates are in the hands of the slavery cult member of their "group", choosing dishonorable allies always comes with a price. Currently that price is being set by CONCORD,

The slavery cult is looking for more patsies to join them in a war against the Jove. History tells us how well their last contest went.

Today they outnumbered a force of Drifters who were able to transport into the heart of their domain by methods they cannot match, certainly a tactical challenge in a combat situation, and now they wish to press forward with war!

Stand with them if you choose but pray the Jove do not treat "groups" as severely as the demonic slavery cultist amarrians do.


I do not envy the Matari community that have to deal with you...
Zekiel Iyhr
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#36 - 2015-06-28 17:28:42 UTC
Lucas should arm-wrestle me. I'll make him cry.
Sahriah BloodStone
No.Mercy
Triumvirate.
#37 - 2015-06-28 17:34:04 UTC
The arguments here lack so much logic and thought that it does not surprise me they come from the Faithful.

Lets look at some facts

1. While you are all sitting on your ass, Lucus, Makoto, Scherezad and the others are out there actually doing something useful to provide answers to the rest of us, often at the risk of their own lives.

2. The amount of information they have provided the cluster has been insurmountable, and they have freely shared this information with EVERYONE. Numerous reports, summaries, biological and technological information has been given to CONCORD, the Empires and Capsuleers with absolutely no demand of payment or other concessions for the release of this information - more than I can say about many other Corporations - and they have at every turn worked with authorities to ensure the information is as accurate as possible.

Now some facts about CONCORD

1. CONCORD has not attempted to support any operations aligned with determining the threat of the Drifters nor figuring out any of the recent events. They have not sent scouts to Anoikis, null sec, or anywhere where they could be useful in determining if the space THEY are supposed to protect is in danger. Hell they haven't even be conducting research on the Jove Observatories inside High-sec.

2. CONCORD did NOTHING when the Drifters attacked the Conference on the autopsy report, and NOTHING again when they attacked the Amarr yesterday (And yet you find more fault in Lucas for not being there when he was driven out by the very people who had ships less than 10AU from you and did nothing)

3. CONCORD now ostracizes and makes outlaw the very people that have done literally ALL the legwork in these matters purely because they want to 'officially identify a body (which they have had plenty of time to do and could do if they just asked for a sample of DNA instead) and bury it.

If you seriously think that burying a ******* piece of charred brain matter is more important than EVERYTHING ELSE these people have done to aid the rest of you, you might want to check your clone for a brain tumor....or actually don't, perhaps we will get lucky and it will remove your genes from the pool.

This may be a little harsh, but seriously think this through people. Stop being so blind to what CONCORD is doing.

Sahriah Bloodstone

No.Mercy // Triumvirate

"Never underestimate your enemy or disrespect its abilities. If you do, you shall become the hunted "

Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#38 - 2015-06-28 17:39:02 UTC
Then I guess I am doing nothing but sitting on my... ass... Screw the Fair and everything else... What would it be so surprising, coming from a Faithful, right... ?
Sahriah BloodStone
No.Mercy
Triumvirate.
#39 - 2015-06-28 18:00:28 UTC
Lyn Farel wrote:
Then I guess I am doing nothing but sitting on my... ass... Screw the Fair and everything else... What would it be so surprising, coming from a Faithful, right... ?


My comments were not directed at you Ms. Farel

Sahriah Bloodstone

No.Mercy // Triumvirate

"Never underestimate your enemy or disrespect its abilities. If you do, you shall become the hunted "

Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#40 - 2015-06-28 18:03:50 UTC
Scherezad wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Dear Scherezad-haani, I am sorry you got into this situation, but I could only suggest to petition to CONCORD and plea that you weren't involved in shady affairs of dishonorable Priano.

CONCORD was witness to my entire interaction through the DED observer, Kim-haani. I'm not going to grovel for their amusement. If they repay generosity to allies and efficient work with sanctions, I'll wear those sanctions proudly.


I wish I could like this post a thousand times, but instead I'll just say this: You know you have my guns and or shield repair modules as and when you need them.
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