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[PRESS] Odo Korachi issues demands; IKAME petitions for assistance
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Vizage
Capital Allied Industrial Distribution
#121 - 2015-06-27 16:41:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Vizage
Dradis Aulmais wrote:
Have you been afforded Counsle? While any cooperation may set standings as they see fit, the seizing of assets can only be done through a Court of law in each of the recognized empires and Concord tribunal. At each of these you are afforded the right to an attorney of your choosing and cost or a Defender of Law for free. DED has no right to size your assets without due process. DED does not have the authority to seize your assets outside of Concord/DED facilities with out such due process.

Maybe the good DED must reread the condord charter.


Clearly you know absolutely nothing about what you're speaking on, and didn't even take the time to read the Public Release Memo the DED issued on these charges. Because if you'd had, you would have clearly seen where the law is exactly outlined in the Yulai Convention.

But here you go anyway:
DIRECTIVE ENFORCEMENT DEPARTMENT
STATEMENT – REF 117/06/25 - 099-345697234-099 wrote:


Rights to salvage are outlined in Article 8 of the Yulai Convention (Trade and Salvage).
Specifically, Article 8 Section B explains that rights to salvage on destroyed vessels lie with the
individual responsible for the destruction of the vessel, or the individual who makes first claim
to the salvage upon its discovery.

Article 8 Section B (2) explains that rights to salvage do not include claims to biomass, and the
responsibility for any persons, living or dead, discovered aboard wreckage lies with their
immediate next of kin. If no competent next of kin exists, responsibility for those discovered lies
with the government of their citizenship.

Article 8 Section B (2a) states that the Directive Enforcement Department can assume right to
biomass in matters of interstellar security, when an investigation marked as such remains open,
regardless of citizenship.


Had you read this you would understand that the remains of Dr. Tukoss' IS NOT his property and he therefore has no rights to claim over its subsequent seizure.
Frenjo Borkstar
Doomheim
#122 - 2015-06-27 16:47:32 UTC
Vizage wrote:
Had you read this you would understand that the remains of Dr. Tukoss' IS NOT his property and he therefore has no rights to claim over its subsequent seizure.


At least we can show respect to his remains, unlike CONCORD who are using that as an excuse to persecute innocent capsuleers.

I advise you don't support them.

Viriel,

Borkstar Laboratories,

The Borkstar Initiative.
Matar Ronin
#123 - 2015-06-27 16:48:29 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Katrina Oniseki wrote:
Aria Jenneth wrote:
Katrina Oniseki wrote:
As of 22:54 CONCORD time, pilot Scherezad has been placed under corporate arrest and administrative leave by authority of the Ishukone-Raata Internal Watch. She is now in my custody.

Um ... respectfully, is there no alternative to this, Ms. Oniseki?

Or is this, maybe, something a little different than it sounds?

I've been confined to quarters before. It was a horrible experience. Admittedly there were circumstances that made it ... worse, but ...

From what you're saying, surely Ms. Scherezad can't be considered to have acted improperly? So, respectfully, why detain her?



I'd rather not discuss more details in public out of respect for her.

I will reiterate that visitation is perfectly allowed for anybody concerned for her well being.


Can I bring her a cake?
I am sending a small sterilized file to Pilot Tuulinen to include in that cake. Great for cutting bars of any holding cell. Say what you will but we Matari have some experience escaping "protective custody".

Any capsuleer held by or under threat of Concord deserves non-partisan support.

I object to how Concord has handled this case thus far. If they think they are going to coerce the Caldari or any capsuleers by brute force they are in for an unfortunate surprise. They might be shocked to discover how quickly we can put aside our current differences to stand together against a general threat to all capsuleers by heavy handed thugs hiding behind a Concord badge or DED desk.

‘Vain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.’

" We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.
Dradis Aulmais
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#124 - 2015-06-27 17:00:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Dradis Aulmais
Vizage wrote:
Dradis Aulmais wrote:
Have you been afforded Counsle? While any cooperation may set standings as they see fit, the seizing of assets can only be done through a Court of law in each of the recognized empires and Concord tribunal. At each of these you are afforded the right to an attorney of your choosing and cost or a Defender of Law for free. DED has no right to size your assets without due process. DED does not have the authority to seize your assets outside of Concord/DED facilities with out such due process.

Maybe the good DED must reread the condord charter.


Clearly you know absolutely nothing about what you're speaking on, and didn't even take the time to read the Public Release Memo the DED issued on these charges. Because if you'd had, you would have clearly seen where the law is exactly outlined in the Yulai Convention.

But here you go anyway:
DIRECTIVE ENFORCEMENT DEPARTMENT
STATEMENT – REF 117/06/25 - 099-345697234-099 wrote:


Rights to salvage are outlined in Article 8 of the Yulai Convention (Trade and Salvage).
Specifically, Article 8 Section B explains that rights to salvage on destroyed vessels lie with the
individual responsible for the destruction of the vessel, or the individual who makes first claim
to the salvage upon its discovery.

Article 8 Section B (2) explains that rights to salvage do not include claims to biomass, and the
responsibility for any persons, living or dead, discovered aboard wreckage lies with their
immediate next of kin. If no competent next of kin exists, responsibility for those discovered lies
with the government of their citizenship.

Article 8 Section B (2a) states that the Directive Enforcement Department can assume right to
biomass in matters of interstellar security, when an investigation marked as such remains open,
regardless of citizenship.


Had you read this you would understand that the remains of Dr. Tukoss' IS NOT his property and he therefore has no rights to claim over its subsequent seizure.



Here you go
DIRECTIVE ENFORCEMENT DEPARTMENT
STATEMENT – REF 117/06/25 - 099-345697234-099 wrote:


Directive Enforcement Department warrant to seize equipment pertaining to the ongoing investigation into the death of Dr. Tukoss by force, under Article 5, Section C of the Yulai Convention, which would then not be limited purely to the biomass in question.



they imply that they will size what ever they please. No where in the statement was the pilot in question afforded an attorney. nor was he allowed to present his counter claim.

--EDIT--
To further my argument

Why this Biomass? Drifters have been stealing corpses for months now. DED has done nothing.

Dradis Aulmais, Federal Attorney Number 54896

Free The Scope Three
Matar Ronin
#125 - 2015-06-27 17:37:52 UTC
There is a robust market for capsuleer biomass. Concord has never done anything to disrupt it. If according to the Yulai Agreements capsuleer remains should be handed over to next of kin or the state why has Concord done nothing to stop the trade in corpses?

If I scoop one piece of veldspar from someone else's wreck I would get an immediate criminal suspect flagging, if biomass is not legal salvage why does it not trigger suspect status? Selective enforcement?

‘Vain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.’

" We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.
Vizage
Capital Allied Industrial Distribution
#126 - 2015-06-27 17:43:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Vizage
Makers sake, are you daft. You just listed both the Article and Section of the Yulai Convention that gives them the legal authority to do so, what exactly are you arguing? The pilot in question has NO RIGHT to a proper attorney or present a counter claim by the very articles you just listed untill AFTER he has been apprehended.

He has absolutely zero, let me say that again ZERO, judicial rights to a counter-claim. The body of Dr. Tukoss's is not his to take. The equipment used after his recovery while unfortunate is pertinent to the ongoing investigation.

Rest assured I'm sure we will see a trial AFTER he is apprehended and the body returned. But as he is still at large CONCORD has every right to issue bounties and levy heavy sanctions against him and anyone they suspect he may be using to evade their request.


Frenjo Borkstar wrote:
Vizage wrote:
Had you read this you would understand that the remains of Dr. Tukoss' IS NOT his property and he therefore has no rights to claim over its subsequent seizure.


At least we can show respect to his remains, unlike CONCORD who are using that as an excuse to persecute innocent capsuleers.

I advise you don't support them.


What respect Doctor?

The man is running around with the poor Doctor's remains in his cargo hold. If respect was really the foundation of your argument he would have been buried, respectfully by now.

Right now all I see is a few capsuleers using a piece of this poor mans body as a bloody banner for capsuleer independence, respect has nothing to do with it, and making some oft and unproven claim that CONCORD or the DED somehow plan on not doing exactly what they've outlined doing is grasping at straws at best.

If these people didn't like living under CONCORD rule and the Yulai convention they should have opted to leave High-security space like so many of us have done, or not become a capsuleer at all.

We all signed the paper upon attaining our licence. We all have a right to question and challenge the laws we live under, but not to disobey them in their enaction.

Return the poor souls remains,
End this nonsense.

Sincerely
K. Amsel.
Haria Haritimado
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#127 - 2015-06-27 17:57:40 UTC
Vizage wrote:
The man is running around with the poor Doctor's corpse in his cargo hold. [...] Right now all I see is a few capsuleers using this poor mans body [...]


Fellow Capsuleers,

I would like to point out that we did not recover the corpse of Hilen Tukoss. Mr. Lucas Raholan was not able to extract the corpse from the wreck of a Buzzard class spaceship due to reasons unknown. We are talking about the following:

Medical Report wrote:
The tissue sample has a mass of 137 grams. There is little moisture in the sample, the vast majority having evaporated on exposure to vacuum. This has caused the tissue to shrink from its original size and deform.


It is not known to us, or at least to me, what happened to the corpse. When we returned, it had vanished. Parts of the wreckage remained visible.

Sincerely,

Haria Haritimado

Corporate ID
Vizage
Capital Allied Industrial Distribution
#128 - 2015-06-27 18:14:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Vizage
My apologise Ms. Haritimado, corpse was the wrong term. I'll preform a small edit. Remains I suppose is the closest best term. I hope that is satisfactory.

K. Amsel
Anyanka Funk
Doomheim
#129 - 2015-06-27 18:18:35 UTC
This is pretty funny. Wish it had happened to me instead. I'd love to be bountied for that much.
Che Biko
Alexylva Paradox
#130 - 2015-06-27 21:59:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Che Biko
You know, I was all for handing over the remains, but the more CONCORD goes into OVERDRIVE, the more I feel like that may not be a good idea.

tl:dr: It's a trust issue, if you want to gain someone's trust, this is not the way to go about it.
...That counts for both sides, perhaps.

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Malleus Karris
Karris Family
#131 - 2015-06-27 22:20:32 UTC
Dradis Aulmais wrote:
Why this Biomass? Drifters have been stealing corpses for months now. DED has done nothing.

It's quite simple if you think about it.

The Drifters are Jovian. They are simply protecting their technology. CONCORD does not have authority over them, as they are not Capsuleers certified through CONCORD. Both Hilen Tukoss and those responsible for salvaging his remains are.

While this seems straightforward, there's an added wrinkle. This action is presumably based on recovery efforts in unknown space. That means it was not Jovian nor CONCORD jurisdiction. Until this is established, there are no legally binding rules regarding salvage therein.

Just as CONCORD cannot enforce a travel ban to these systems, they are not legally able to confiscate salvage or remains obtained there. That is why they are proceeding with internal remedies to this by threatening the Capsuleers in question. That is also why they did not present a legal case to these Capsuleers but are using salvage law to justify their internal actions.

There is no legal case being presented, because none exists. Neither the Drifters stealing corpses nor the remains of Hilen Tukoss are under CONCORD's jurisdiction. One, however, is a perfect excuse to continue the "Threat to Interstellar Security" line of reasoning that the DED has been using to keep information regarding the Drifters secret. It is how they are grasping for power over freedom of speech, freedom of inquiry, and freedom of movement.

As Capsuleers, we should all be alarmed by this. As citizens of New Eden, we should be up in arms.
Xindi Kraid
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#132 - 2015-06-27 23:15:24 UTC
How awfully convenient for CONCORD to only choose to enforce the law now. A truly fair and just group does not pick and choose when to enforce which laws when it is convenient. Their job is to enforce all of the laws all of the time. By failing to enforce the laws regarding corpse ownership they indicated it does not matter to them and both that and their sudden use of that ignored law to get what they want only demonstrates corruption in their ranks and leadership.
Suzuha Yamada
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#133 - 2015-06-27 23:37:33 UTC
I think the recent events in Sarum Prime are a prominent example of why CONCORD needs to cooperate with us as capsuleers in an open manner. The drifter threat has shown to be very real in the last 12 hours, more so than any other time.

Their current actions are nothing more than petty politics and name calling when the fate of the cluster now hangs in the balance.

I wrote to the DED, and my plea had obviously been ignored. So, again, I urge that CONCORD cease hostilities and work together with us to deal with this very real and dangerous threat.
Jaret Victorian
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#134 - 2015-06-27 23:49:52 UTC
People died today in the heart of one of the Empires, in a 1.0 system. An unprecedented incursion of 100 Drifter Battleships. What does the CONCORD? Shoots looters, ofcourse, because that's the law.

They should end this circus and get on the frontline.

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Zekiel Iyhr
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#135 - 2015-06-28 00:02:31 UTC
Jaret Victorian wrote:
People died today in the heart of one of the Empires, in a 1.0 system. An unprecedented incursion of 100 Drifter Battleships. What does the CONCORD? Shoots looters, ofcourse, because that's the law.

They should end this circus and get on the frontline.


To be fair, after I shot at the Drifters, I also shot at the looters.
Vizage
Capital Allied Industrial Distribution
#136 - 2015-06-28 00:11:34 UTC
Jaret Victorian wrote:
People died today in the heart of one of the Empires, in a 1.0 system. An unprecedented incursion of 100 Drifter Battleships. What does the CONCORD? Shoots looters, ofcourse, because that's the law.

They should end this circus and get on the frontline.


Maker's sake, thats the job of the Empires Navies. Maintaining Sovereign borders and the protection of ones citizens is each Empires job, not the DED's. They are a police force, primarily for us, they hunt criminals and track smugglers. They are not an army.
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#137 - 2015-06-28 00:20:06 UTC
Vizage wrote:
Jaret Victorian wrote:
People died today in the heart of one of the Empires, in a 1.0 system. An unprecedented incursion of 100 Drifter Battleships. What does the CONCORD? Shoots looters, ofcourse, because that's the law.

They should end this circus and get on the frontline.


Maker's sake, thats the job of the Empires Navies. Maintaining Sovereign borders and the protection of ones citizens is each Empires job, not the DED's. They are a police force, primarily for us, they hunt criminals and track smugglers. They are not an army.


Maybe not but they did simply stand by and watch an attack on one on the Empites unfold right in front of them. Are they so callous as to ignore the death and destruction being laid out in front of them?

'Not my problem mate' was most definitely not the answer I would expect to hear from any in a position to do something about it.
Xindi Kraid
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#138 - 2015-06-28 00:22:28 UTC
Vizage wrote:
Jaret Victorian wrote:
People died today in the heart of one of the Empires, in a 1.0 system. An unprecedented incursion of 100 Drifter Battleships. What does the CONCORD? Shoots looters, ofcourse, because that's the law.

They should end this circus and get on the frontline.


Maker's sake, thats the job of the Empires Navies. Maintaining Sovereign borders and the protection of ones citizens is each Empires job, not the DED's. They are a police force, primarily for us, they hunt criminals and track smugglers. They are not an army.

Another convenient excuse?
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#139 - 2015-06-28 00:27:30 UTC
Xindi Kraid wrote:
Vizage wrote:
Jaret Victorian wrote:
People died today in the heart of one of the Empires, in a 1.0 system. An unprecedented incursion of 100 Drifter Battleships. What does the CONCORD? Shoots looters, ofcourse, because that's the law.

They should end this circus and get on the frontline.


Maker's sake, thats the job of the Empires Navies. Maintaining Sovereign borders and the protection of ones citizens is each Empires job, not the DED's. They are a police force, primarily for us, they hunt criminals and track smugglers. They are not an army.

Another convenient excuse?


Bollocks more like.

Either these Drifters are a corp as per their listings and therefore opened fire in a criminal manner. This should have warranted a CONCORD response in the usual manner.

The other option is that this attack was by an unlisted group and is therefore more akin to a targeted incursion. In this case every damn ship available should have opened fire.
Xindi Kraid
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#140 - 2015-06-28 00:55:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Xindi Kraid
Unless my memory is faulty, CONCORD never did much to counter Sansha incursions either, and they ARE a registered pirate organization that would fall under CONCORD's purview. Clearly, CONCORD is guilty of gross neglegence.

I should also note, independent pilots and groups who arrived to assist were not under any obligation either.
"Not my job" is a poor excuse for not helping.