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[PRESS] Odo Korachi issues demands; IKAME petitions for assistance

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Rhavas
Noble Sentiments
Second Empire.
#21 - 2015-06-26 06:24:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Rhavas
At last, CONCORD puts its true colors out for all to see.

This "One Cluster Government" in which they believe that they know better than the government you have chosen for yourselves. Where then is the right to salvage, if nothing else?

CONCORD has outlived its usefulness. The Jove are gone, and with them what authority and need for existence CONCORD ever had. The idea that CONCORD is anything other than wholly corrupt is laughable, as they manage bribes between sides for everything from their oh so threatening "standings" to looking the other way for paid "war" declarations to carefully orchestrated endless wars between the Empires. All grist for the machine, and fed willingly by the denizens of the Empires.

For those of you left in the Empires, hold to what dignity remains, and throw off the shackles of these sad, corrupt, and devoid of purpose self-appointed rulers that think themselves above your own leaders. Make your voices heard. And if that is not sufficient, join those who have left their confines for wormholes and the empires of the outer regions.

Ms. Priano and Mr. Raholan, while we may disagree on our perceptions of Mr. Tukoss himself, I will personally fund your security status tags to underscore my remarks and display the corruption for all of New Eden to see should it become necessary.

Author of Interstellar Privateer Shattered Planets, Wormholes and Game Commentary

Trii Seo
Goonswarm Federation
#22 - 2015-06-26 06:28:56 UTC
Wow. Just... wow.

Anyway, I'd say evacuate the samples to a Serpentis station. It's near some people who would love a quiet verbal... who am I kidding, loud and involving explosive results, exchange with CONCORD. After the fiasco of operation Spectre, many people will think twice about executing CONCORD authority in those regions as well.

Proud pilot of the Imperium

Arek'Jaalan: Heliograph

Jev North
Doomheim
#23 - 2015-06-26 06:33:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Jev North
Rhavas wrote:
The idea that CONCORD is anything other than wholly corrupt is laughable [...]

CONCORD has hardly ever acted differently towards capsuleers than it does; this is its machinery working as intended. Keeping uppity capsuleers down and their violence directed towards each other and sanctioned targets is its function, and has been from the beginning. Framing it as some kind of betrayal or corruption from a good-guy cop role that existed only in people's heads is an extremely tired pirate loyalist schtick.

Even though our love is cruel; even though our stars are crossed.

H1de0
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#24 - 2015-06-26 07:25:28 UTC  |  Edited by: H1de0
(just for clarification I assume this situation targets IKAME as a whole not just the individuals that part-took)

What concerns me the most is the fact that we are being threatened with the security status "stick" for performing and publicizing independent research on a biomass sample that was delivered to us by it's finder and thus rightful owner (Raholan-san) and returned after it's examination ended. We are not outlaws who monetize their findings in secrecy but scientist who's actions in this case where driven not by profit possibilities but public security.

I would understand if the DED, if gen. Korachi is truly acting on their behalf, went after Raholan-san alone. But this.. this is exactly the kind of misplaced law enforcement that fuels any existing conspiracy theories and sparkles new ones.

Decrypting the Sleeper cache..

Kyoko Sakoda
Achura-Waschi Exchange
Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group
#25 - 2015-06-26 07:44:04 UTC
Jev North wrote:
And suddenly I understand what some people were on about.

Well, uh. Outlaw life isn't too bad? Just saying.


Out-of-whose-law?

I mean that rhetorically.
Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#26 - 2015-06-26 08:45:40 UTC
Why not simply turn over the biomass?
Lord Kailethre
Tengoo Uninstallation Service
#27 - 2015-06-26 08:55:47 UTC
Samira Kernher wrote:
Why not simply turn over the biomass?


I believe that Lord Raholan has misgivings about CONCORD's intent, especially given their recent actions in regards to Drifter related incidents and information. And it's completely understandable, especially since they're now threatening him because of it.

It's all quite fishy.
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2015-06-26 09:04:15 UTC
Two things spring to mind here immediately.

Firstly this sample was collected from a salvage mission *outside* of Empire space and CONCORD control sphere. This surely means that any and all materials discovered fall under the laws of astro-maritime salvage.

Secondly CONCORD would not need all samples to clarify that these were indeed the remains of Hilen Tukoss. one would be sufficient to verify the genetic identity if this were to legally force the activation of a med-clone.

The actions of this officer are heavy handed to say the least and must fall outside of his remit. Are CONCORD a group formed for the protection of the Empires or to control them by force?

I call upon all of my contacts and agents within the 4 Empires to petition against this action. We capsuleers perform numerous duties for those representatives and I personally have excellent standings with many of them. CONCORD is acting arbitrarily and assuming that they can command independent residents of the Empires to do as they are bid. CONCORD is there to keep the peace between the Empires, not enforce laws within them.
Unit XS365BT
Unit Commune
#29 - 2015-06-26 09:16:27 UTC
We would suggest compliance.

We Return.

Unit XS365BT. Designated Communications Officer. Unit Commune.

Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#30 - 2015-06-26 09:17:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Samira Kernher
Lord Kailethre wrote:
Samira Kernher wrote:
Why not simply turn over the biomass?


I believe that Lord Raholan has misgivings about CONCORD's intent, especially given their recent actions in regards to Drifter related incidents and information. And it's completely understandable, especially since they're now threatening him because of it.

It's all quite fishy.


Threatening to confiscate evidence needed for an ongoing investigation is not an uncommon procedure for law enforcement, and it is normal for a refusal to cooperate to be met with judicial punishment.

I don't like that CONCORD has authority in matters like this, instead of local law enforcement, but they do. It is not appropriate to withhold evidence from them.
Lord Kailethre
Tengoo Uninstallation Service
#31 - 2015-06-26 09:21:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Lord Kailethre
Samira Kernher wrote:
Lord Kailethre wrote:
Samira Kernher wrote:
Why not simply turn over the biomass?


I believe that Lord Raholan has misgivings about CONCORD's intent, especially given their recent actions in regards to Drifter related incidents and information. And it's completely understandable, especially since they're now threatening him because of it.

It's all quite fishy.


Threatening to confiscate evidence needed for an ongoing investigation is not an uncommon procedure for law enforcement, and it is normal for a refusal to cooperate to be met with judicial punishment.


Unfortunately I do not* have all the facts of the matter. This is simply what is evident from what Lord Raholan has said and wrote. For a more in depth answer I believe that Lord Raholan himself will have to field it.
It's entirely possible he no longer views CONCORD as an entity that should wield judicial power.
iyammarrok
Drunken Beaver Mining
#32 - 2015-06-26 09:28:26 UTC
Lord Kailethre wrote:
Samira Kernher wrote:
Lord Kailethre wrote:
Samira Kernher wrote:
Why not simply turn over the biomass?


I believe that Lord Raholan has misgivings about CONCORD's intent, especially given their recent actions in regards to Drifter related incidents and information. And it's completely understandable, especially since they're now threatening him because of it.

It's all quite fishy.


Threatening to confiscate evidence needed for an ongoing investigation is not an uncommon procedure for law enforcement, and it is normal for a refusal to cooperate to be met with judicial punishment.


Unfortunately I do have all the facts of the matter. This is simply what is evident from what Lord Raholan has said and wrote. For a more in depth answer I believe that Lord Raholan himself will have to field it.
It's entirely possible he no longer views CONCORD as an entity that should wield judicial power.



His views are irrelevant in the face of the fact that they currently DO wield such power.
Unless he wants his intransigence to cost everyone involved their freedom, he should probably comply.

-Tertianus Rethelior

Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated.

Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#33 - 2015-06-26 09:29:43 UTC
Lord Kailethre wrote:
It's entirely possible he no longer views CONCORD as an entity that should wield judicial power.


With utmost respect to his lordship, obedience to lawful authority is not a matter decided by personal views. Does his lordship believe his subjects should also have a right to refuse to obey him because they arbitrarily decide that his authority is not valid?

CONCORD should not wield judicial power, this I agree on. But they do.
Jaret Victorian
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#34 - 2015-06-26 09:47:30 UTC
"Concerns of intentions of your group"?! Do you really mean that?! After giving us all this shiny medal?! Just... wow! Let me ask you a question - how fast would we be dead and gone if we were baseliner researchers? And how fast would you again go hush-hush and nothing happened?

Well we are not like that. We, unlike these poor brave SCOPE reporters and the Eifyr and Co. employee who we STILL don't know anything about, have the ability to go all out for the people of this cluster!
H1de0
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#35 - 2015-06-26 10:02:14 UTC
Samira Kernher wrote:
Why not simply turn over the biomass?


Of course I by no means am Raholan-san's representative in the matter, but I would most definitely not hand the sample over. Not the whole piece at least. If approached with a polite request, not a threat that we currently witness, I would be willing to consider sharing the sample and any research outcome I was able to produce (which, as I believe, we already did) in exchange for a statement that any results from the other side's investigation would also be reported to the public.

By trying to acquire the WHOLE sample for internal "analysis and formal legal confirmation of identity" DED is not only undermining dr. Scherezad's and dr. Tenebrae's work but also sending a feed to the conspiracy theorists that they do not want anymore public, independent research to be commenced because [please fill in with Your current favourite gossip, plot etc.].

Decrypting the Sleeper cache..

Haria Haritimado
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#36 - 2015-06-26 10:04:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Haria Haritimado
To the honored CONCORD Assembly,
To fellow Capsuleers,


I am deeply concerned by the steps taken by Brigadier General Odo Korachi. Many valid doubts have already been brought forth against his course of action. I would like to address some of them specifically.

(1) The request for tissue samples being handed over to Directive Enforcement Department (DED) has been anounced as a press statement by DED Director of Operations Arve Vesren (117-06-08 20:01). No legal basis or executive order has been made publicly known at this time.

(2) The usage of the public security status system - which is a fundamental instrument to maintain a balanced stellar peace for the cluster - as a means of coercion against law abiding individuals is a fundamental threat to CONCORD's legitimacy and the security system itself.

(3) It has now become totally apparent to the stellar community, that the DED is deeply concerned about the latest revelations regarding the drifter threat, the fate of Dr. Hilen Tukoss, and the issue of genetic identity and possible alterations of a certain type. If we are expected to trust CONCORD and the DED to act on behalf of New Eden's security and well-being, we expect CONCORD and the DED to trust us and share the reasons for those serious concerns with us in return.

(4) To exert executive power without legal basis and reason - even with the intend to protect and defend the well-being of citizens - is an indication of dictatorship and suppression - even when directed against transhumanist beings. It must be explained and detailed how Article 5, Section C of the Yulai Convention is deemed relevant in the case at hand and how honored BGen Odo Korachi's executive steps are deemed appropriate. All people addressed by the 'final demand' are citizens of one of the nations or members of closely affiliated corporations and thus deserve transparency.

The Pakshi Peace Conference closed its commission work a few days ago. Two commissions were specificly dedicated to the role and future of CONCORD. There is an atmosphere of tension, mistrust, and resentment against CONCORD on the rise. Nevertheless, the Peace Conference and many independent Capsuleers clearly support the original ideal and mission of CONCORD. Reason and civilized communication is necessary to overcome these tensions and to clarify for all involved how we want to take on future threats directed towards our societies.

Clearly, escalation through harsh ultimatum and threat, directed against respected citizens and capsuleers, is not helpful to calm emotions down and create such a mutual debate about our future security. I address the honored CONCORD Assembly and Inner Circle to review the acting of BGen Odo Korachi and issue an urgent instruction to cease any hostilities against the capsuleers threatened by BGen Korachi's 'final demand'. I furthermore address the representatives of the four nations to make a public statement as soon as possible.

Respectfully yours,

Haria Haritimado
Delegate to the Pakhshi Peace Conference
Lord Kailethre
Tengoo Uninstallation Service
#37 - 2015-06-26 10:23:05 UTC
Samira Kernher wrote:
Lord Kailethre wrote:
It's entirely possible he no longer views CONCORD as an entity that should wield judicial power.


With utmost respect to his lordship, obedience to lawful authority is not a matter decided by personal views. Does his lordship believe his subjects should also have a right to refuse to obey him because they arbitrarily decide that his authority is not valid?

CONCORD should not wield judicial power, this I agree on. But they do.


I can't claim to know how Lord Raholan's mind works, only that these appear to be his outward views.
He actually hasn't told anyone in the Society, to my knowledge, his feelings on the matter. Only that he refuses to hand over the 'evidence.'
Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
#38 - 2015-06-26 10:24:51 UTC
Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:
Two things spring to mind here immediately.

Firstly this sample was collected from a salvage mission *outside* of Empire space and CONCORD control sphere. This surely means that any and all materials discovered fall under the laws of astro-maritime salvage.

People usually don't fall under salvage laws. Even in societies where people can be properties, there is usually a legal distinction between them and livestock or material goods.

Moreover, the DED does operate outside of empire space.

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Secondly CONCORD would not need all samples to clarify that these were indeed the remains of Hilen Tukoss. one would be sufficient to verify the genetic identity if this were to legally force the activation of a med-clone.

Given the nature of what happened to Hilen Tukoss, I doubt they want the samples simply to verify the remains.


Quote:
Are CONCORD a group formed for the protection of the Empires or to control them by force?

Actually, CONCORD was formed to keep the peace between empires. They regulate capsuleer activities as part of their remit to handle intergalactic trade, specifically cloning.

Also because their ships can act throughout a larger part of the cluster than that of any empire.

Quote:
CONCORD is acting arbitrarily and assuming that they can command independent residents of the Empires to do as they are bid. CONCORD is there to keep the peace between the Empires, not enforce laws within them.

If you have a clone body then you are not 'independent.'

Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's.

Frenjo Borkstar
Doomheim
#39 - 2015-06-26 10:36:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Frenjo Borkstar
Jev North wrote:
Rhavas wrote:
The idea that CONCORD is anything other than wholly corrupt is laughable [...]

CONCORD has hardly ever acted differently towards capsuleers than it does; this is its machinery working as intended.


The machine's case has been opened, and that has been exposed now. To their detriment.

Elements that they may try to "seize" are being evacuated to null security space (I know mine has!), where CONCORD will get a fight from owners if they try to get it.

They're not getting that biomass, lest they damage it, end of.

I've sent Brig Gen. Korachi a strongly worded mail on the subject, and am waiting for his response.

Viriel,

Borkstar Laboratories,

The Borkstar Initiative.

John Revenent
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#40 - 2015-06-26 10:37:19 UTC  |  Edited by: John Revenent
After receiving a response from DED and State Officials to our request for leniency for all involved. The Ishukone-Raata Enforcement Directive urges all parties involved to adhere to the DED request and interstellar law by transferring the remains of the late Hilen Tukoss. While our request for leniency was rebuffed, several points of conduct were produced and while Tukoss was a traitor to the Caldari State the man deserves to at least be properly and legally identified by the DED and put to rest in a proper, honorable manner.

Ishukone Loyalist - Private Contractor

"Holding on to anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one who gets burned."