Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Ok, so the Stratios and Nestor have been out for a while now.
The Strat is a good ship, that sees plenty of use, and the Nestor, not so much.
However, this is not the point of this thread.


The point of this thread is to say, I'd like to see a shield variant of these ships. Obviously a variation of a Balanced Nestor, but a variation none the less.(forgive me if the Balance of Nestor is fine, but I never see them, so I assume they're not too grand)
Obviously we don't really need a shield variant of the Astero, as it's rarely used in any situation requiring tank, but if so do so...
Oddly enough, we don't have a Caldari / Minmatar cross over in game..

So, the question is, how to we make a crossover of the two, that doesn't go in the same direction of other ships/pirate hulls?

We can't go drones, as there's enough of those in game..
we can't go lasers, cause that's just a bad cross...

How about missiles? (yes, i realize there are missile boats all over Eve, but most of which don't have any type of use besides damage)


So, here's a though...

Cruiser (Insert name here)
Minmatar- 4% bonus to shield resistances

Caldari - X% bonus to Light missile damage (very high bonus, will explain)

Role Bonuses
X% bonus to core and combat scanner probes
X% bonus to relic and data analyzer (focuses on strength vs coherence)
Immune to D-scan (could go for covert cloak or nullifier immunity, depending on what works best)
X% reduction in reload time of rapid light missile launcher

Now, with these, they're supposed to be designed for prolonged durations in null/wh space, so i'm not going to attempt a build on slot layout.
However, they will be heavily in favor of midslots, with only 3-4 highs.
With this, they would only have 2-3 launchers, but with high damage. With upcoming missile HP changes, they would be much more effective with less missiles, but would also have to pick their battles wisely.
That said, inside combat sites, they would be quite effective.


(Pending balancing of Nestor, and what would be a shield variant)
As far as the BS (insert name here)
Minmatar - Shield resist bonus

Caldari - X% bonus to heavy missile damage (high again)

Role Bonuses
Same bonus for probing
Same bonus for hacking
50% bonus to shield boost amount
200% bonus to boost range
X% bonus to RHML reload


Again, heavily balanced towards midslots, but with more highs to allow for shield transports.
Again, 2-3 or even 4 launchers with high damage, again more effective with upcoming missile changes.


Obviously, this idea isn't heavily thought out as far as bonuses and build, but I feel the potential is there.
However, the point behind the high damage bonuses, using a lower weapon class, and the reload bonus to rapids is so that they can have less low slots, with good dps, and be able to carry more missiles for prolonged trips.

If no one is interested in the idea of more exploration boats, perhaps we can go the route of mining and give them mining bonuses, but with significant tank and missile combat capability?
IDK about that, but the point here is to get the ball rolling and see if we can come up with a good min/cal cross over.
Perhaps someone can even figure out which 3rd party faction they would belong to?

The next Pirate Faction should be a Armor/Missile Brawler. So Caldari/Min could be Missile/Armor HP.

Frigate:
5% Rocket RoF
5% Armor HP
Role: Reload Time

Cruiser:
Light/HAM RoF
5% Armor HP
Role: Reload Time

BS:
Heavy/Torp RoF
5% Armor HP
Role: Reload Time

Adding new ships is not going to fix the Nestor is it?
Why not just do something about the Nestor before moving on to new and exciting ships for another role.

Make a shield Nestor and i will fly it, maybe not fulltime but sometimes.

Its a fairly strong logistic platform, with T2 MWD (inactive) and 2x meta 13 EANM+exp rig a Nestor get same EHP as shield incursion ships (armor ehp vs shield ehp on shield ships) and it can use 7x Large Remote Armor Repairer II (10.5 effective repper) while staying cap stable.

what tiddle said plus,

Rather than think of a gap in race crossovers and then try to force it into some useful role, think of a useful role and then see where it belongs.

In regard of Nestor "issue" you probably have never talked to WH folks. You better to.

And hold on for a second i see a lot of shield tanked BS which are armor doctrine buy their nature. Those are very well fitted into Incursions meta. Same words about armor tanked NM and Scorpion/Widow. And some other examples.

I'm sorry, I can only see about 3 dozen ways to break this proposal without looking at a fitting tool.

Absolutely not.

Also, if you want to have a go at rebalancing this to something sorta plausible, flip the bonuses. minmatar have good missile boats, caldari have good missile boats, but minmatar's hat for tank bonuses is active shield.

You are kidding me right?

The nestor went down how well?

And the Astero and Stratios served the role of exploration ships that could actually do something when shot at. Rather than mere scout and cyno ships that were the covert frigs.

Nestor seems to be finding a niche in wormholes - probably thanks to the mass reduction and fitting service in the last balance pass. High value of SOE lp means it still costs twice as much as any other pirate battleship.

Which pirate faction would sponsor this new line of ships? The only faction I can think of that doesn't already have a line of ships is SoCT (except the Gnosis). I think it would be cool to see what CCP could dream up for them - but then, I really enjoyed flying the Gnosis!