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[Aegis] More balance! - Ishtars, DDAs and the Tempest

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Brokk Witgenstein
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#761 - 2015-07-07 23:45:26 UTC
Moe Alabel wrote:
You have to wonder if the Devs have ever played the game


Sure they did. BoB ring a bell? People were crying then, people are crying now. Jeez.

"MAH PROPHECY!!??" how about this: your Proph has highslots. Nobody's forcing you to stick neuts in there and DDAs; you might as well fit launchers and BCUs. It's not like they nerfed the baseline damage; only the "extra" damage. Those 2 DDA you probably have on it will still do their job, just a little less of it.

Pro tip: if you want said Prophecy to be able to actually catch up with targets, consider replacing them with two Nanos Lol
Launch Probe
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#762 - 2015-07-08 00:06:14 UTC
Not happy with the Ishtar changes. If you toss 300 people in ANY ship and have them attack a primary target, they are going to kill it. Then on top of that you nerf drone damage. So now your nerfing every single carrier in eve, your nerfing every single sub cap with a drone bay in eve. That's not how to balance a game, that's how to give a middle finger to every one who researched and plays with any type of drone period. If you want to have people continue to play a multitude of different ships continue to have a wide diverse field of choices. Every ship in the game, should be viable. Especially if you put 300 pilots into it. I could put 300 pilots into an ibis and nothing would be safe. Going by that logic, lets nerf the ibis its clearly over powered, because 300 of them just took out some dudes carrier. Get real, and look at things apples to apples. Forcing people to play certain ships, or fly ships only 1 way doesn't breed diversity.
Melisa Zeal
Ni Industries
Requiem Eternal
#763 - 2015-07-08 00:46:33 UTC
I think the DDA nerf wasn't needed but I can live with it I guess, it's not a big deal. The Ishtar Sentry bonus is the thing.. as multiple people have said.
Drizzer
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#764 - 2015-07-08 01:36:01 UTC
People will be crying about ishtars destroying them again tomorrow, once they realize the extra low is in reality a buff payed for by the mid nerf. But its still a buff guys.
Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
#765 - 2015-07-08 03:42:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Mina Sebiestar
Mandatory drop in on tempest fleet issue.

Rate of fire it up as well.

Its a battleship too.

Alternatively nerfs every other faction battleship to a subpar dmg to their tier 1 counterpart as a new way of dealing with faction ships.

You choke behind a smile a fake behind the fear

Because >>I is too hard

Frostys Virpio
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#766 - 2015-07-08 13:37:17 UTC
Mina Sebiestar wrote:
Mandatory drop in on tempest fleet issue.

Rate of fire it up as well.

Its a battleship too.

Alternatively nerfs every other faction battleship to a subpar dmg to their tier 1 counterpart as a new way of dealing with faction ships.


Mandatory "did you even read the second blue post" ?
Shade Alidiana
PROSPERO Corporation
#767 - 2015-07-08 17:26:04 UTC
TFI would appreciate its rof as well
Starrakatt
Celtic Anarchy
Dead Terrorists
#768 - 2015-07-08 17:26:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Starrakatt
Launch Probe wrote:
Not happy with the Ishtar changes. If you toss 300 people in ANY ship and have them attack a primary target, they are going to kill it. Then on top of that you nerf drone damage. So now your nerfing every single carrier in eve, your nerfing every single sub cap with a drone bay in eve. That's not how to balance a game, that's how to give a middle finger to every one who researched and plays with any type of drone period.
I do play with every types of drone boats in the game, and I'm pretty happy with the changes. Maybe we'll start seeing more turret/missile based ships instead of ubiquitous drone boats everywhere...

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If you want to have people continue to play a multitude of different ships continue to have a wide diverse field of choices. Every ship in the game, should be viable.
Exactly, death to Drone Online, bring back lasers, autocannons and missiles CCP, please.

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Especially if you put 300 pilots into it.
Yet we don't see 300 of other ships, we see 300 Drone Boat again and again and again. 300 other weapon system based ships don't happen often enough.

CCP is doing what they need to do.

Yeah \o/
Aplysia Vejun
Children of Agasul
#769 - 2015-07-08 17:30:37 UTC
Starrakatt wrote:
do play with every types of drone boats in the game, and I'm pretty happy with the changes. Maybe we'll start seeing more turret/missile based ships instead of ubiquitous drone boats everywhere...


You should leave your 100man gangs... there are other ships everywhere. 1:5 to 1:10 in my region (1drone ship, 10 others), especially turrets ships are everywhere.
Starrakatt
Celtic Anarchy
Dead Terrorists
#770 - 2015-07-08 17:35:53 UTC
Aplysia Vejun wrote:
Starrakatt wrote:
do play with every types of drone boats in the game, and I'm pretty happy with the changes. Maybe we'll start seeing more turret/missile based ships instead of ubiquitous drone boats everywhere...


You should leave your 100man gangs... there are other ships everywhere. 1:5 to 1:10 in my region (1drone ship, 10 others), especially turrets ships are everywhere.

Oh, I am not flying drone boats that much, I like diversity.

That (slight) nerf to DDA is just gonna help balance all class types, excellent work.
Aidan Hawking
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#771 - 2015-07-09 05:37:37 UTC
I've been waiting for the Ishtar fanboys to have their ship nerfed for a long time, please give me all your tears. Big smile
Zan Shiro
Alternative Enterprises
#772 - 2015-07-09 06:21:30 UTC
Aidan Hawking wrote:
I've been waiting for the Ishtar fanboys to have their ship nerfed for a long time, please give me all your tears. Big smile



psst....like drizzer posted above this was a disguised buff.

Mid slot loss was a debatable tank hit. You can run run and gun 2 slot tanks and not die. Key is to not get tangled up into a fight.
Something Ishtar did already. Stop, drop and roll.

Stop the ship, drop the sentries....roll the hell out as fast as they can.

DPS loss covered by stacking of DDA. thanks to the....wait for it.......extra low slot. DDA was hit and the primary ship it was meant to hurt got a low slot to correct that. Yes excessive mod stacking is usually bad. When nothing else is catching your eye and you want more damage....it quickly becomes a why the hell not decision.




Rat Scout
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#773 - 2015-07-09 08:06:07 UTC
Again, thanks for the low slot buff on my Ishtar CCP Big smile

My isk/h is much better.
Tim Nering
Mouth Trumpet Cavalry.
Mouth Trumpet Cavalry
#774 - 2015-07-09 09:08:30 UTC
im breakin out the tempest! autocannons are still autocannons, but im having fun!!! we supposed to be having fun right?

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Omnathious Deninard
Ministry of Silly Walks.
The Gurlstas Associates
#775 - 2015-07-09 11:00:36 UTC
As I said earlier in the thread, the Ishtar needed to lose a few hundred shield HP and gain some armor HP.

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.

Laura Audier
Gemeinschaft interstellarer Soeldner
#776 - 2015-07-09 13:06:11 UTC
Why don't you remove the Ishtar from the game instead of crippling it in each second patch?
Frostys Virpio
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#777 - 2015-07-09 13:17:06 UTC
Laura Audier wrote:
Why don't you remove the Ishtar from the game instead of crippling it in each second patch?


Because then they would have to design another drone T2 cruiser instead of just fixing the one they have issue with.
SFM Hobb3s
Perkone
Caldari State
#778 - 2015-07-09 14:17:54 UTC
Reduce drone bay to 25m3. Make the Ishtar a rail platform.
Oddly, its still vastly superior to the muninn. Go figure.
Frostys Virpio
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#779 - 2015-07-09 14:30:56 UTC
SFM Hobb3s wrote:
Reduce drone bay to 25m3. Make the Ishtar a rail platform.
Oddly, its still vastly superior to the muninn. Go figure.


Then both gallente HACs are hybrid based...

Heavy drone armor brawler is my call. Just give it the speed to stay on target and mids for full tackle.
Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
#780 - 2015-07-09 17:38:14 UTC
My EFT is broken or something? Myrmidon can field only 4 sentries...what? The bandwith Rise, bandwith. If drone BC can field less than cruiser what are we talking here?

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