Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I guess most of you that are complaining about the Hecate's base max velocity have forgotten it has the same base max V as the Jackdaw, the same inertia modifier, and a 66.7% bonus to MWD max velocity bonus. Usign a T2 MWD, that would be 170*1.25 (Navigation)*5.05*1.25(Accel Ctrl)*1.67=2240 before links or heat. Add, heat (x1.5), and links (x1.35) and we're talking 4536m/s. And it has a huge cap usage reduction. So it should have no issues with perma-MWDing around forever.

Because every bonus is equal in value...oh no wait they are not. Comparing ships based on your reasoning is an exercise in futility. It takes none of the base stats into account which plays into the balance of mode bonuses. If the base speed wasn't 25% less than 2 of the other ships then I could see your complaint and comparison.

What you mean to say is that it will actually be a viable choice for missions?

I am not a fan of the slow speed either, but at the same time, the Fan community have been complaining relentlessly about the speed meta and speed power creep. Then they introduce 2 slow ships and everyone complains about the speed.

I'd like to see speeds toned down in other areas, but I guess as long as they are listening and not adding to the problem that is a good thing

I'd rather see a more average speed than slow, but I can't help but smile at the irony.

The skillbook should be on the market after SISI's update tomorrow.

With the missile modules too? Please?

I love when we get new ships.

I don't love when the new ships we get completely nullify any usefulness of 3 classes of ships, however. Particularly after CCP has just done a great job on the tiercide re-balance.

Can anyone please explain to me what the point of flying a t1 frigate, assault frigate, or t1 cruiser is now, when we have these four amazing tactical destroyers?

I'm not being completely facetious -- I'd really like to be shown an example where one would choose a t1 frigate, t1 cruiser, or an assault frigate over one of these tactical destroyers. "Because the player is a newbie" doesn't count.

I specifically said t1 frigates, assault frigates, and t1 cruisers. I specifically didn't say interceptors and ewar frigs as I agree with you, they have a good use.


Edit: to explain a bit more why you're argument doesn't hold for why t1 frigates are still useful:

EVE doesn't balance by cost -- this why titan's can't kill everything/do everything without support. Just because the tactical destroyers are more ISK than the t1 frigs doesn't give them the right to supplant entirely their usefulness.

I can accept the argument that because t1 cruisers can fit medium neuts and drones that makes them usable in certain situations, rather than the T3 dessies. I still think however, that whatever targets you're hunting with this t1 cruiser with a med neut and drones is much better disposed of with a t3 dessy, in almost all circumstances.

I didn't mean to say t1 frigs should have counterplay to t3 dessies -- just that they are useless with t3 dessies. At least before t3 dessies, they had speed and unique bonuses compared to t1 dessies. Now with the 3 modes of t3 dessies there's just NO reason to use t1 frigs.

And yes, the most important point I'm trying to make is that assault frigs, specifically, are worthless now.

Your formula is correct. Mine was not. Thank you for doing that. I had no idea that mass was actually figured into max velocity calculations. In retrospect, it makes sense, otherwise over-sized ABs would still only make you go twice as fast.

So we should have 212.5 * (1 + (6.375 * 1.666 * 1.5 (MWD overheat bonus) * 1.3018 (Rapid Deployment link) *(1,500,000/(980,000+500,000)))) = 4679m/s. 3385m/s without links.