Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Svipul and Confessor do after their balance pass, but the Jackdaw has 5&1.

dps does seem a little high..

hull tanking is pretty stupid. AAR tristans/comets were already the best frigates for solo type stuff, and then they got most of their AAR hitpoints replaced by a larger amount of hull buffer.
it's not exactly stimulating gameplay - no powergrid usage, no mobility or sig penalties, it's buffer so you can't alpha it, it's capless and it has omni resists. I sure do love flying minmatar and dictating range, choosing damage types and neuting people out.
everyone seems to think it's really hilarious and amazing for some reason, but I don't see that hull tanking adds anything of value to the game. if the only downside is 'can't be remote repped', then I guess buffer shield/armour tanking is only so you can receive remote reps?

Agreed about the speed being really low. A higher base speed with a lower bonus from Prop Mode would be better imo.
Everything else seems really cool, though.

Can't wait !

will the cycle time of the repper change if you switch modes during a cycle or will it be effective with the next cycle after mode switch?

Give that to Capital Industrial Ships please....!



Looks like it might replace the Sniping Cormorant...

C'mon Chance, you know he meant stupid as in imbalanced. Don't be dense.

And he's right. not only is hull tanking dreadfully boring, hull tanking is by far the most fitting-efficient tanking method in the game. The fact that it's encouraged so heavily for gallente ships only adds to their dominance (the other part being that drones are strong), which results in the meta being as stale as it is currently.

Very interesting, I look forward to playing with this beastly ship. You really are taking things in a polarizing direction making this D3 a little less versatile then the other 3, yet powerful in its own ways.

The only thing I don't like is it seems to have no viable AB option, low base speed and no bonus in prop mode. Since no sig reduction in any mode and MWD being the hulls designed prop mod, I would add a MWD sig reduction bonus in somewhere.

I don't know what meth you people are smoking when you say hull tanking is "stale' or "lame" or OP. It is buffer tanking, where you trade off DPS for EHP. It doesn't matter if you have hull buffer, armour buffer or shield. It is no worse a strategy than anything else.

That said, some of the input on balancing this ship has been...typical for those commenting. Balancing ships based on "LOL I DIEDED" is handy.

I think this will be a pretty powerful ship, but with very limited capabilities. Around 24K EHP in defensive mode, a stonking active armour burst tank but not really a great sustained one with the AAR's. It wont be that great for kiting, because small rails suck and your mbility is balls outside of prop mode.

If the jackdaw experience is anything to go by, you'd have a great ship if it could run all 3 modes at once, but the choice of mode is a problem so it is meh. Like...slow but good proection in sharpshooter, and you get run down and ganked. Kitey but no DPS with prop mode and rails. Stronk tank, but slow and poor projection in defensive mode.

So i think it's going to purely be buffer gank, MWD scram-web blaster mode. Which is fine - a gank Catalyst with steroid tank.

Looks fine to me

Its interesting that you go for the same approach that the jackdaw with the agility, but not a bad choice in my opinion. Again, strong strengths and strong weaknesses.

Way clearer design than the jackdaw which weaknesses kind of impair its strengths.