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An open letter to CCP.

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Tora Bushido
The Marmite Mercenaries
BLACKFLAG.
#81 - 2015-06-21 21:53:29 UTC
I understand his pain. One day I was playing an FPS game called COD and I was shot by a helicopter. I had to quit playing that game as it was really overkill. Why couldn't they have just used a gun. Terrible!

This was so unfair Sad

DELETE THE WEAK, ADAPT OR DIE !

Meta Gaming Level VII, Psycho Warfare Level X, Smack Talk Level VII.
Darth Terona
Horde Vanguard.
Pandemic Horde
#82 - 2015-06-21 21:57:43 UTC
No.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#83 - 2015-06-21 22:08:52 UTC
Finn McCoul wrote:
People will claim it’s part of “freedom” within the game but where’s my freedom to be able to move from one high sec system to another and not being extorted for ISK?
You still have freedom. Freedom to fly an untanked freighter, without help through high sec. They have the freedom to remove that asset from you and ask you to buy a permit.

But here's the rub. You also have the freedom to play smart, tank the freighter, have a corp mate web you and be clever in which routes you take.

No one has removed your freedom, we all have it. But freedom comes with a price, you just need to decide how much you are willing to pay. So start using the tools provided and it will reduce it considerably.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Gimme Sake
State War Academy
Caldari State
#84 - 2015-06-21 22:10:41 UTC
Harrison Tato wrote:
Tempted to think this is a CODE alt



Dat healthy remark.

"Never not blob!" ~ Plato
Ilithyia Borgia
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#85 - 2015-06-21 22:20:36 UTC
Adios. If you are interested in other games that may be more your speed I recommend Chutes and Ladders or Candyland.
Mark Zachary
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#86 - 2015-06-21 22:24:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Mark Zachary
"If that grief wasn’t enough one of the gankers then decided to join our open recruitment channel to then inform us (if we didn’t already know by this point) we had been ganked and then posted our kill reports to us. We were then informed that I should have indeed bought a “pass”. - Finn McCoul

My favourite moment of my Eve Career so far. The tears.
412nv Yaken
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#87 - 2015-06-21 22:49:53 UTC
Finn McCoul wrote:
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Concord just isn’t enough and did absolutely nothing. It doesn’t protect you against extortion so where were / are the in game mods? Or better yet why not have Honorary Concord Members who are players protecting players against attacks like this?

Kind regards
Finn McCoul


Can confirm that concord did kill my ship after blapping you.

Also you should of paid the ransom, or opened your map to view kills, or took a webbing alt or not flown the orca in your freighter or used a scout or not chosen to buy plex for something you can lose................. Should I keep going or Nah?

#capkillers #code420blazeit #uedama2015 #CCPSAVEMEPLZ



A True Champion of High Security Space
XODIOS Katelo
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#88 - 2015-06-21 22:52:04 UTC
I found your loss.

You flew an untanked freighter through a known ganking system, what on earth did you expect?

this was all you dude.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#89 - 2015-06-21 22:58:29 UTC
XODIOS Katelo wrote:
I found your loss.

You flew an untanked freighter through a known ganking system, what on earth did you expect?

this was all you dude.

Yeah, his loss was linked on page 2.

Same page the OP acknowledged live, learn and continue on, which is what he intends to do after getting over his initial emotional response.
Arla Sarain
#90 - 2015-06-21 23:14:12 UTC
Finn McCoul wrote:

People will claim it’s part of “freedom” within the game but where’s my freedom to be able to move from one high sec system to another and not being extorted for ISK?

Your freedom lies in the possibility of hiring/recruiting protectors to support your hauling operations. Also known as putting yourself in a position where you can have the advantage. So basically playing EVE and not a clicking simulator.


Not sure if the OP is a troll, but still. Ingame mechanics are not there to protect anyone, they are there to deter people who do not put the effort into securing their own success from having impact. Sure getting something for no effort is nice.
Lister Dax
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#91 - 2015-06-21 23:58:30 UTC
Looking at your KM, you essentially brought a freighter to haul an Orca and a few mobile depots!!!
Otso Bakarti
Doomheim
#92 - 2015-06-22 00:20:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Otso Bakarti
I really don't think the OP is hanging around to read everyone telling him, "Hey. It's legal." I think he knows that, and that was the gist of his observation - gankers don't pay any price, so if CCP loves them so much, they should be prepared to say "bye" to people who pay real money for accounts, and "hi" to PLEXers. (Maybe they've found a way to pay staff in game time! Oh, well, what staff they have left...new office huh? Must be doing real well with that revenue.)
Just between us, of course. Shhhhh.

Shocked

There just isn't anything that can be said!
0bama Barack Hussein
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#93 - 2015-06-22 00:32:38 UTC  |  Edited by: 0bama Barack Hussein
Otso Bakarti wrote:
I really don't think the OP is hanging around to read everyone telling him, "Hey. It's legal." I think he knows that, and that was the gist of his observation - gankers don't pay any price, so if CCP loves them so much, they should be prepared to say "bye" to people who pay real money for accounts, and "hi" to PLEXers. (Maybe they've found a way to pay staff in game time! Oh, well, what staff they have left...new office huh? Must be doing real well with that revenue.)
Just between us, of course. Shhhhh.

Shocked



Noticed too (after my earlier reply) that OP tends to stay, what is great.

But I kinda wonder what is their next master plan for coming 2 years.

Especially as this thread made them famous whiners now (who have not learned much in 2 years of EvE).
Join Goons, or even CODE themselves?

Will be checking their KM´s frequently in future.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#94 - 2015-06-22 00:39:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Otso Bakarti wrote:
...gankers don't pay any price, so if CCP loves them so much, they should be prepared to say "bye" to people who pay real money for accounts, and "hi" to PLEXers. (Maybe they've found a way to pay staff in game time! Oh, well, what staff they have left...new office huh? Must be doing real well with that revenue.)
Just between us, of course. Shhhhh.

Shocked

Or maybe, CCP understand that all PLEX used by plexers was also paid for with real money. Given that PLEX is, in general, more expensive than subscribed accounts, it could be seen as an increase in revenue.
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#95 - 2015-06-22 00:45:59 UTC
Otso Bakarti wrote:
I really don't think the OP is hanging around to read everyone telling him, "Hey. It's legal." I think he knows that, and that was the gist of his observation - gankers don't pay any price, so if CCP loves them so much, they should be prepared to say "bye" to people who pay real money for accounts, and "hi" to PLEXers. (Maybe they've found a way to pay staff in game time! Oh, well, what staff they have left...new office huh? Must be doing real well with that revenue.)
Just between us, of course. Shhhhh.

Shocked

Actually I don't care if someone quits after I blow up their spaceship. If they quit because the lose a spacship in a spaceship shooting game then this wasn't probably the game they where looking for in the first place. Also I am a player not the player retention department. No idea why everyone is so concerned with CCPs revenue all the time. I think they can handle that on their own they don't need your special advice to survive. Also I don't think you know how PLEX works, they even earn more with PLEX than with regular subscribers.

Evil RatKid
45thtiger 0109
Pan-Intergalatic Business Community
#96 - 2015-06-22 00:46:31 UTC
Finn McCoul wrote:
Dear CCP,

After over 2 years of play, I will be cancelling my EVE sub at the end of July.

Today, I was ganked in high sec in a freighter - the freighter some people bought a PLEX for and donated that ISK to the corp so we could buy it.

It started when roughly 3 ships started to intercept me at a gate which kept knocking me of course and in turn prevented me from warping.
I was then asked for 300 mil in ISK for a “pass” which I refused and to be frank I would actually call that a ransom.
After that someone else tried to contact me but I refused their chat invite and then 19 ships decided to take out me out.
The freighter was lost and so was our Orca which again was bought for by player donations. Over 2 billion in losses which our corp simply can’t afford to replace.

If that grief wasn’t enough one of the gankers then decided to join our open recruitment channel to then inform us (if we didn’t already know by this point) we had been ganked and then posted our kill reports to us. We were then informed that I should have indeed bought a “pass”. All this was in high sec on my way to Jita and to quite frank a little creepy.

EVE is demanding, and at times punishing, it’s part of the game but it is also very rewarding. We were hoping to set up POS’s to start moon mining and ice mining - something we’d been looking forward to for some time and building up towards it but with the loss of our only freighter and Orca it now means that our plan is on indefinite hiatus.
Just as we had started to get somewhere we’re pushed to the ground and now we just don’t feel like getting up again.

Concord just isn’t enough and did absolutely nothing. It doesn’t protect you against extortion so where were / are the in game mods? Or better yet why not have Honorary Concord Members who are players protecting players against attacks like this?

People will claim it’s part of “freedom” within the game but where’s my freedom to be able to move from one high sec system to another and not being extorted for ISK?

I enjoy EVE, I bought the Second Decade set, the LE Source book and the LE Art of New Eden books so it’s like having to leave a club you enjoy going to because there is a large group making your time there unpleasant for you so to be honest it’s sad to go but unless we start again from the start, we have no way of moving forward.

Sorry for the moan but really, extorting ISK out of players is really a step too far.

Kind regards
Finn McCoul


Welcome to EvE

If you are running a freighter or anything in high value stay docked until the coast is clear and then move the stuff.

Or Move to another part of high sec where you will not get ganged in high sec.

More tears for Everyone P

**You Have to take the good with the bad and the bad with the good.

Welcome to EvE OnLiNe**
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#97 - 2015-06-22 01:17:26 UTC
Ima Wreckyou wrote:

Actually I don't care if someone quits after I blow up their spaceship. If they quit because the lose a spacship in a spaceship shooting game then this wasn't probably the game they where looking for in the first place.


Someone who quits because they're allowed to lose will quit eventually anyway, it's just a matter of when. The only way to retain such "players", and even with the quote marks it hurts to call them that, would be to remove the ability for them to lose the game.

And I for one would not play such a game.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
412nv Yaken
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#98 - 2015-06-22 02:06:37 UTC
OR even better.............. why not leave your mining pleb friends and come join the big boys of high sec in CODE.

If you all have to put in real money to spend 2 bil on freighter and a orca after 2 years its safe to say you're doing something wrong. Hell you could actually make that much in one Gank......... Think of the possibilities

A True Champion of High Security Space
Kalel Nimrott
Caldari Provisions
#99 - 2015-06-22 02:19:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Kalel Nimrott
True Story.
I was about to get ready my freighter alt to get to amarr to sell..., somethings..., when I read in local that someone sold Burn Amarr free pass or whatever and that made me wonderer why. Since I've been out for eigth months and don't have much contact with my old corp mates, I just decided to google "Burn Amarr". Thanks to that, my freighter is safe.
See, OP? If you only have read local...

Bob Artis, you will be missed.

O7
Otso Bakarti
Doomheim
#100 - 2015-06-22 02:35:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Otso Bakarti
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Otso Bakarti wrote:
...gankers don't pay any price, so if CCP loves them so much, they should be prepared to say "bye" to people who pay real money for accounts, and "hi" to PLEXers. (Maybe they've found a way to pay staff in game time! Oh, well, what staff they have left...new office huh? Must be doing real well with that revenue.)
Just between us, of course. Shhhhh.

Shocked
Or maybe, CCP understand that all PLEX used by plexers was also paid for with real money. Given that PLEX is, in general, more expensive than subscribed accounts, it could be seen as an increase in revenue.
What planet are you from? PLEX is bought with ingame money.
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
. No idea why everyone is so concerned with CCPs revenue all the time. I think they can handle that on their own they don't need your special advice to survive.
Uh...advice? I gave no one advice. Where did you see me offer advice? The thing about the REVENUE is, no money, no gamee. I guess someone had to tell you that. You're welcome. Oh yes. Inhale! Exhale! Inhale! Exhale!

There just isn't anything that can be said!