EVE General Discussion

This, right here, is why a heck of a lot of people lose stuff. They belong to [insert grrrr, group here] therefore they're not worth listening to. Those of us who gank and bump are the final word on how to avoid the things we do, because we understand the mechanics and tactics of what we do. You're either stuck-up or silly if you won't listen to what we tell you.



How many times have you tried bumping the target freighter away just as the cats land on grid? As I've already posted, cats have a notoriously short range.

There goes Admiral root, offering advice to prejudiced people who don't want to listen and instead prefer to be victims. Well, I listen, which is why even when in High Sec I don't get screwed with.

The power of victimhood is so intense, it blots out all thought and creativity (why be creative in solving your own problems with every problem is someone else's fault?). I don't know a miner/anti-bumping type that has ever even mentioned the power of anchor rigs coupled with a mobile micro jump units to thwart bumping. Or using a Jump Freighter with an exit cyno on standby to move stuff.

Rigs? On freighters? Are you even serious?
MJU has an activation range and deploy timer, make your own conclusions (to make it really easy for you - it has been tried).

My original reply (there was a quote of guy's post before this sentence too)


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Well, my definition of a blanket statement just changed. Thank you so very much for expanding my somewhat limited understanding of English language.

I would bold out some stuff for you but it would probably get me banned.

So, let me get this right - I'm replying using a qoute of that guy's post talking about his personal experiences just before I write my reply referring directly to what he said, but my reply is a blank statement aimed at several people (although he was directly referring to his experiences). Ok.

Not whole alliances but you can at least hide posts by individual characters: click the name of the char and select "Hide posts". Works well enough.

I'm more in the "if you don't want to be bumped or ganked then take steps to avoid it camp" than the "all anti ganking/ bumping posts are bad camp" tbh.

Ganking is content, anti-ganking is also content, I'm all in favour of player generated content regardless of its origins. For anti-ganking to be effective it needs to become as organised and as familiar with hisec aggression mechanics as their opponents. Hisec gankers have figured out effective doctrines that work despite hisec aggression mechanics and the countdown to Concord, anti-gankers need to do the same, they would do well to take an example or three out of their enemies play book.

Most of the people that anti ganking want to protect appear to be incapable of remaining at the keyboard, route planning, learning how stuff works or making rational decisions about things such as ship fit and cargo value.

I'm a self confessed bear, I mine, I mission, I run anoms and escalations, I make stuff and I sell stuff; I also take steps to minimise the risk of getting ganked. I quite openly post about the steps I take to enable others to also not be easy targets, most of the steps I take are decried by many with the refrain "I shouldn't have to do that, CCP should do it for me".

While never having participated in an AG Fleet I beg to differ. I've been the ganker in the past, and I fly through one of the major chokepoint systems at least 3 or 4 times a week giving me plenty of observation time. In my experience most anti gankers, there are exceptions, don't fire until a GCC flag is raised.

My observations would correlate with this.

Wardec them, then you can use insta locking legions and tornadoes and boosted ecm so you can both jam them out and kill their numbers before they kill their target.

If this is true, then surely the best counter to ganking is to gank the ganker first.

Only benefits and no consequences right? Has to be the same no matter who is doing the ganking.