EVE General Discussion

Well you should get better too. You haven't really read all of my reply (about adaptibility) so let me explain. First of all gankers fit a single ECCM regularly. Let's say they bring a single ECCM cata fit. Overheated and with all skills to V its sensor strength is 29.7. A falcon with meta4/T2 racial jammer and full fit for jams (no buffer, no dc, all ecm rigs) gets 16.76 jam strength. Single jammer has a 56,41% chance of jamming that cata. Usually, you'll have to fit a sebo due to falcon's bad scanres, maybe even 2 so you'll have 4 or 5 jammers. Best case scenario, a recon - highly specialised ship could take out 4 catas after they've already landed 2 volleys each (due to server lag and locking times). Worst case it could take out none. If you bring 5 falcons, chances would be higher but again, experience shows that the gank would be repeated and eventually successful unless you have significant reps on top of those falcons. Furthermore, if you actually brought 5 falcons, they would adapt, probably fitting two eccm's to catas in which case chance of jam with a single module drops to 27% and 4 jammers still have 30% chance of failing (on a single cata). So lel at falcon idea.

Again, the real problem is the ability of bumpers to lock down target nearly indefinitely. Once you see a ship being bumped for hours (literally), and without any legal way of helping him to get out of that situation (ganking bumper is not a legal way btw) you understand that this really is a problem. However all the folks with vested interests will just troll and flood the topic/forums with their negativity instead of trying to take a step back and look at this topic without prejudice.

Sounds to me like you can prevent a gank indefinitely with only a fraction of the people the gankers need. Sounds pretty unbalanced to me.


But ganking is easy as hell, you only need some F1 monkeys and there are absolutely no consequences. Aaaaand the best thing about ganking is, and I have heard that from several of you guys now, that the ships you use for the gank are free!! So I don't really see a problem here unless you are to bad to smash F1.

If i gave an excuse like that to my execs id be booted out of the alliance for being a lazy fool.
so "LeL" (or whatever you kids are saying these days) all you like but the tools are there for you.


ganking bumper is the most hilariously effective thing to do, its yer own fault ye cant fight them with their own means.

by the way im not a ganker and i have absolutely no vested interest in them,
infact we have a smidgen over 200 kills on them.

they are fun to screw with more than anything and its your own fault ye cant do so effectively because of some imagined code(lol) of e honour.

Either English isn't your first language or you're just bad at reading comprehension - he's saying bump the gankers.

I once had a target bump-tackled and, with the best of intentions, made a complete fool of myself in front of none less than the Saviour of highsec (praise Him!). How? By giving the target a gentle love-tap as the gank fleet landed, intending to make sure they couldn't get to warp. Catalysts have an effective range of about 3 centimeters, so nullifying them with a bump (or bumping their target away from them) is easy as pie and comes with no Concord aggression).

Actually I got smartphoned there but yes you got it.

I have also actually seen the bump Mach get ganked before and it's outrageously funny when it happens

I read a lot of interesting content but most the time if you express something against ganking in high sec you will be locked and trolled to death.

The forum have no consideration about how you can feel after investing all this time and money in the game. You are only allowed to say the game is great, accept your loss over and over against the high sec gankers.

They don't play eve. They just use you to play it for free.
IRL, scamming and ransoming people is illegal in my country. But in Eve they are the most predominant activities. And to add, it is allowed and encouraged. If you express yourself against this on the forum your topic will be trolled to death by pro gankers then closed by an ISD. That is why i rarely post anything. The gankers say they are free to play how they want. BUT the others are not allowed to do the same. They even rules how you have to play and what you have to buy if you are a miner by example.

With reasons, i am also retiring for some time, need a break.

The reason i started playing eve was the mining, the industry and the hauling.
I have 3 accounts, an orca and a freighter. That is my way to play eve but i am not allowed to really do it, enjoy it. Because you are told how to play by the gankers in high sec.

Concord is a joke and should be removed completely. It give the false sentiment to the new comer that they are protected in some way.

I have been ganked one time, mining in a hulk so i probably deserved it to a ganker point of view.
I have been ganked (other account) when exiting jita in a shuttle (flying manually to jump asap like always) by a player who have an historical records of killing shuttle in high sec using smart bomb (empty cargo).

For the moment i see no reason why i should keep playing. I am really tired about the gankers in high sec and i see no where that ccp care about the problem.

It is a PVP game. I am a PVE gamer trying to find a way to enjoy this game because the mining and industrial part is great. Trusting people in this game is a problem so i see no reason why i should waste my time and isk trying to find a good corp in null / wh who do mining and industry. An orca is not free, a freighter cost a lot. I can replace them but i see no reason to risk them like that in a system that encourage crime and abuse against people who cannot defend in high sec. Eve is probably best if you are a ganker. But sadly for me it is far away from my personnal values and the person i am.

I expressed my personnal view point and what i feel since a long time.

Have a nice day / play.

You know it's your fault, right? The lossmail I mean. And, since when did PvP become griefing?

Glad to see the New Order continuing to rattle the cage that is highsec.

You *could* say that, but in my experience most people try to avoid sounding like idiots.

I was countering your claim of not being able to shoot at gankers without gaining a GCC flag. I didn't say that it was a particularly effective way of stopping a gank in progress, because that would be a lie; the most effective defenses against ganks take place before undocking.