EVE General Discussion

The dec went in before he got cool. Now we're just running with it because content.

I take it I should get a tub of popcorn and some beer before diving into that one.

And, unless they deleted the five page long troll trying to get Remiel Pollard to kill himself, a bucket to throw up in.

Why would someone be forced to go gcc on you in order to stop you? The fact that, one you're done you'll go back to nullsec and continue whatever you were doing or not doing there (more likely not doing), where killrights are meaningless does not mean that
folks whose primary habitat is high-sec should limit themselves (due to killright that ganker becomes the owner of) for a month in order to stop one of your ganks (and with 100 or so catas in your average fleet, a dozen of 'anti-gankers' would make absolutely no difference). So, no.


Since you're not a member of anti-ganking, you would not know this really, now would you? Caring about, being willing to put some time and effort into it and actually changing something are not the same things anyway.


Although convoy thing sounds interesting, targets of ganks are not only valuable cargo ships which would justify convoy idea. Often it's just any freighter passing by. So, would one have to always have an escort for his ship? Do you know how boring and wasteful that would be for most of the time for players in those ships? If you're thinking that convoy ships should be paid from hauler's profits, then you haven't seen how fairly low the price of hauling is with red frog (for example).

Exactly. I used to have my OOC guy running around in a obelisk...then he was getting bumped one day, so I bought a viator. Now instead of AFK autopiloting and coming back an hour later, I spend about 15 minutes flying straight to Jita or Amarr, sell my stuff then go AFK.



This doesn't even make sense. My point was that if the anti-ganking side really wanted to stop a gank they could try to gank the gankers. If you need say, 80 guys in catalysts to take down a freighter in a given system, and the fleet has 85...if you kill 10 of them the gank will fail.

See the guys doing the ganking...they know their ****. They have apps where they know precisely how many guys they need given the sec status of the system, the target, and what their fleet is in. Those on the other side...meh you guys just whine alot.



That's true, but if you look at alot of the guys out there in destroyers shooting the Goons, et. al. they generally aren't people HS players would find all that...welcoming.



Yes, even an empty ship will likely need a convoy. Welcome to Eve.

Yes it is boring, which is why I changed my behavior, so that things are less boring.

Funny, I rarely see Red Frog in these threads...but maybe I've just missed them. And my comment about the convoy was for the OP whose corp bought an expensive ship then lost it in the most notorious system for ganking...while the rest of his corpmates were....where exactly? Given this was, according to the OP, a substantial investment for his corp, they couldn't be bothered to actually escort the charon? Seriously? Even just a single scout looking for bumping ships and setting CODE. red could have probably averted this whole mess. Seems the OP has learned a painful lesson is going to move on. Good for him.

Finn McCoul Coaltion anyone?

Part of? I'd say griefing is the only concept. Null-sec is beyond a lost cause and if it weren't for FW low-sec would be a veritable ghost town (low-sec is a great example of the consequences of griefing and farming players into oblivion). And then we have high-sec. If it's not station baiting and camping, mission griefing or ganking - it's the myriad of WarDecs against tiny corporations that basically force them to either disband, join NPC corporations or stay docked up.

I won't even touch base on the vitriol nature of the forums. "Get thicker skin or GTFO" is an understatement... The irony is that the celebration of ALODs and abject public humiliation (as evident in this thread) is destroying a core component of EVE: namely the people that are paying for it.

But I digress. Enjoy the online version of Easter Island.

LOL. The guy epitomises the whinebear and I've never seen him post anything that rises to the level of only being a bad point.

If you were trying to post constructively and discuss a problem, one might try to discuss it with you, but you're not, so... Shame you can't block your alliance on forums as well since I've yet to see a coherent and reasonable post from you lot.


I know that all. However not all gankers are -5 or less and even if they are, ganking groups are organised enough to (mostly) avoid ganks they are likely to fail. If they see a lot of folks in repair and alpha ships on a target they will bring enough DPS to negate reps or go to another target (usually there are more then one bumpers active). However this would all be fine and dandy if there was any legal way for a target to escape bumping, but in 99% of the situations there is none and that really is the problem.


Please do that and tell me how it contributes in stopping ganks. to paraphrase yourself - you'd be wise to know what you're talking about before making stupid assumptions and comments.

Yes, and of course it's entirely unthinkable that a large corporation like Red Frog may have a free pass with many of the high-sec ganking groups (or at least some of the larger ones). One could also argue that a larger corporation like Red Frog can absorb considerably more losses at the hands of gankers. Then we're back to the root issue of why thousand-player corporations are able to prey indiscriminately in high-sec. Because it's lucrative, and there's effectively no recourse.