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An open letter to CCP.

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GankYou
9B30FF Labs
#261 - 2015-06-23 14:44:04 UTC
Do all of threads in GD end up like this? Smile

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Highsec carebears & Hisecks ganking is the only thing keeping EVEO EVEO.

Discuss.

...And they all crave one thing - ISK. ¤

[WTS] ME10 / TE20 BPOs from Battleships/Cruisers to Fighters, Carriers, Triage/Siege, XL modules & Cap Components
Bellatrix Invicta
Doomheim
#262 - 2015-06-23 15:32:46 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
By the way, I agree with the OP.

DMC, the OP doesn't even agree with his initial post anymore. He already acknowledged that it was made while he was still emotional following the gank.

He's kind of totally turned around and sees the positive aspect of learning from this now. His attitude is great and if we all had his attitude, the relevance of CODE and other ganking groups would be significantly less than it is. They don't have power in this game because they take it. They have it because lots of people give it to them.

Yeah about the OP, it's simply amazing to see a majority of people all gang up and sway the viewpoint of a single person.

As for the relevance of CODE and other ganking groups, I still stand by my original statement in my previous reply.



DMC


Without us the OP would have either 1. quit Eve (not good) 2. filed a petition (also not good) or 3. joined Nulli (very bad). Since we intervened and introduced him to emergent gameplay, his attitude toward Eve has changed... for the better.

You should really check out Siegfried Cohenberg's Ethical Hauling Corp for his services. We can help out with that and maybe get the rose colored glasses off of your eyes too.

If you think you've won, think again.

The CODE always wins.
Orca Platypus
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#263 - 2015-06-23 16:01:29 UTC
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Orca Platypus wrote:
That was just an attempt at counter-ganking I set up in may in Jita. The freighter wasn't ours.
Needless to say, the attempt failed spectacularly - just another proof that shooting, jamming and repping does pretty much nothing.

And you tried that with ~10 friends? Wow, if you fail you fail hard. This is in no way proof that all the stuff you tried does nothing. It's just another proof that anti-gankers always fail because they are really bad at EVE and fail to work together.

Counter-gank is impossible, neither theoretically, nor practically. Your fat pretending that there is a way to counter it is 1/10.
Bellatrix Invicta
Doomheim
#264 - 2015-06-23 16:07:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Bellatrix Invicta
Orca Platypus wrote:
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Orca Platypus wrote:
That was just an attempt at counter-ganking I set up in may in Jita. The freighter wasn't ours.
Needless to say, the attempt failed spectacularly - just another proof that shooting, jamming and repping does pretty much nothing.

And you tried that with ~10 friends? Wow, if you fail you fail hard. This is in no way proof that all the stuff you tried does nothing. It's just another proof that anti-gankers always fail because they are really bad at EVE and fail to work together.

Counter-gank is impossible, neither theoretically, nor practically. Your fat pretending that there is a way to counter it is 1/10.


I'm just gonna leave this here.

The general who wins the battle makes many calculations in his temple before the battle is fought. The general who loses makes but few calculations beforehand. -Sun Tzu

If you think you've won, think again.

The CODE always wins.
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#265 - 2015-06-23 16:21:45 UTC
Orca Platypus wrote:
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Orca Platypus wrote:
That was just an attempt at counter-ganking I set up in may in Jita. The freighter wasn't ours.
Needless to say, the attempt failed spectacularly - just another proof that shooting, jamming and repping does pretty much nothing.

And you tried that with ~10 friends? Wow, if you fail you fail hard. This is in no way proof that all the stuff you tried does nothing. It's just another proof that anti-gankers always fail because they are really bad at EVE and fail to work together.

Counter-gank is impossible, neither theoretically, nor practically. Your fat pretending that there is a way to counter it is 1/10.

You have an invincible, omnipresent, all-knowing and 100% deadly police force on your side and still you lose and think you are at a disadvantage... You must be really really bad at this game, it just does not get more obvious than this.

Evil RatKid
Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
#266 - 2015-06-23 16:23:22 UTC
Finn McCoul wrote:
Dear CCP,

After over 2 years of play, I will be cancelling my EVE sub at the end of July.

Today, I was ganked in high sec in a freighter - the freighter some people bought a PLEX for and donated that ISK to the corp so we could buy it.

It started when roughly 3 ships started to intercept me at a gate which kept knocking me of course and in turn prevented me from warping.
I was then asked for 300 mil in ISK for a “pass” which I refused and to be frank I would actually call that a ransom.
After that someone else tried to contact me but I refused their chat invite and then 19 ships decided to take out me out.
The freighter was lost and so was our Orca which again was bought for by player donations. Over 2 billion in losses which our corp simply can’t afford to replace.

If that grief wasn’t enough one of the gankers then decided to join our open recruitment channel to then inform us (if we didn’t already know by this point) we had been ganked and then posted our kill reports to us. We were then informed that I should have indeed bought a “pass”. All this was in high sec on my way to Jita and to quite frank a little creepy.

EVE is demanding, and at times punishing, it’s part of the game but it is also very rewarding. We were hoping to set up POS’s to start moon mining and ice mining - something we’d been looking forward to for some time and building up towards it but with the loss of our only freighter and Orca it now means that our plan is on indefinite hiatus.
Just as we had started to get somewhere we’re pushed to the ground and now we just don’t feel like getting up again.

Concord just isn’t enough and did absolutely nothing. It doesn’t protect you against extortion so where were / are the in game mods? Or better yet why not have Honorary Concord Members who are players protecting players against attacks like this?

People will claim it’s part of “freedom” within the game but where’s my freedom to be able to move from one high sec system to another and not being extorted for ISK?

I enjoy EVE, I bought the Second Decade set, the LE Source book and the LE Art of New Eden books so it’s like having to leave a club you enjoy going to because there is a large group making your time there unpleasant for you so to be honest it’s sad to go but unless we start again from the start, we have no way of moving forward.

Sorry for the moan but really, extorting ISK out of players is really a step too far.

Kind regards
Finn McCoul


The first time someone wrote a letter exactly like this it was funny.

The second time someone did this it was still somewhat amusing.

From now on those "open letters" will be lame and boring.

Since you're only the third deranged open letter to CCP I'm reading, I'll give you a 3/10 for effort.
Finn McCoul
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#267 - 2015-06-23 16:25:55 UTC
Zimmy Zeta wrote:
Hello Mr McCoul,

Since quite a lot of posters here seem to come late to the party and rage about your OP without having read the entire thread, I would strongly suggest to edit your OP (maybe replace it with a picture of a cute baby sloth or something like that), to keep the ADD masses who only read your original post from flaming or declaring war on you.



Hello o/

I agree, I 've seen a number of posts where some people (admittedly) have never read through the thread or even a few pages in so their recent rage posts feel somewhat out of place.

I'm not entirely sure if the best course of action would to keep the first post as is but edit it with my initial replies attached to the bottom. It might show I've learnt from the mistake(s) or at the very least over it. Then again a picture of a baby sloth may have the same impact. It's really hard to judge it sometimes.


Pixie Tickle wrote:
/me turns around, pressing her backside against ya.

Well let's get to work, my little slave.


Oh crap, sorry. Have you been there all night? Tell you what, how about I get you something to eat, I hear I make a wicked sandwich! URL Description

Orca Platypus wrote:

suicide wanking.


I was skimming through the posts made last night when I was getting ready for work this morning and saw this. No context and to be honest, I'm not sure I want it to have context.
Paranoid Loyd
#268 - 2015-06-23 16:28:57 UTC
^knows how to forum

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!
Orca Platypus
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#269 - 2015-06-23 16:34:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Orca Platypus
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Orca Platypus wrote:
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Orca Platypus wrote:
That was just an attempt at counter-ganking I set up in may in Jita. The freighter wasn't ours.
Needless to say, the attempt failed spectacularly - just another proof that shooting, jamming and repping does pretty much nothing.

And you tried that with ~10 friends? Wow, if you fail you fail hard. This is in no way proof that all the stuff you tried does nothing. It's just another proof that anti-gankers always fail because they are really bad at EVE and fail to work together.

Counter-gank is impossible, neither theoretically, nor practically. Your fat pretending that there is a way to counter it is 1/10.

You have an invincible, omnipresent, all-knowing and 100% deadly police force on your side and still you lose and think you are at a disadvantage... You must be really really bad at this game, it just does not get more obvious than this.


And it is completely useless as long as gankers use free ships which can be spammed in thousands at literally no cost.
You must be bad at this game if you don't know even the basics of it.

As long as ganking is free and stupidly easy, every activity is at disadvantage before it by being not free.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#270 - 2015-06-23 16:36:13 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
^knows how to forum

agreed

Murderers of Negotiable Motivations

=]|[=
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#271 - 2015-06-23 16:38:29 UTC
Orca Platypus wrote:

And it is completely useless as long as gankers use free ships which can be spammed in thousands at literally no cost.
You must be bad at this game if you don't know even the basics of it.

As long as ganking is free and stupidly easy, every activity is at disadvantage before it by being not free.

So why don't you use free ships to anti-gank then? This is getting a bit confusing now.. can you explain why our ships are free and yours are not?

Evil RatKid
alpha36
Northern Freight Unlimited
Young Miners Christian Association
#272 - 2015-06-23 16:43:35 UTC
Finn McCoul wrote:
Dear CCP,

After over 2 years of play, I will be cancelling my EVE sub at the end of July.

Today, I was ganked in high sec in a freighter


lol
Tengu Grib
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#273 - 2015-06-23 16:54:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Tengu Grib
Finn McCoul wrote:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:

Yeah about the OP, it's simply amazing to see a majority of people all gang up and sway the viewpoint of a single person.

As for the relevance of CODE and other ganking groups, I still stand by my original statement in my previous reply.


This is a difficult one, on the one hand I see where you're coming from and I appreciate what you've said, on the other however I disagree people ganged up on to help sway my viewpoint.

Initially I was annoyed, perhaps mostly at my own stupidity but also for the fact I felt the whole bumping me of course felt unfair which I've discussed in another post.

The general consensus however from most people on here was pretty much learn from it, move on and also don't cry on the forums. Some posts were harsher than others but still, the same message was there and the vast majority of people I agreed with. If I didn't agree with what was said I would have cancelled, uninstalled and moved on by now.

Regarding CODE however, unfortunately they've decided to war dec our 3 man corp which may render the game pretty much unplayable for us (or at the the way we want to play it) until that's over. Still, we all have a backlog of other games to catch up on!



Oh don't worry about that. We're pretty much incompetent. *adds your whole corp to watchlist*

Rabble Rabble Rabble

Praise James, Supreme Protector of High Sec.
Tengu Grib
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#274 - 2015-06-23 16:59:42 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
I am phone posting so I can't check but how many people have declared war on the OP? If none I'll get on correcting that later.

Edit: actually read the thread now. Fun story CODE. are actually extremely bad at wars, with a little effort you can probably get kills on them.


Not denying it. I have fun though.

Rabble Rabble Rabble

Praise James, Supreme Protector of High Sec.
Dersen Lowery
The Scope
#275 - 2015-06-23 17:05:37 UTC
Eugene Kerner wrote:
Well to be frank you better get out and never come back.


And here is the actual problem with this attitude. Smart guy here hasn't even bothered to read the thread, passes judgment immediately, and lashes out at a player who's learning the hard way for no good reason.

Reading is fundamental.

Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables.

I voted in CSM X!
Bellatrix Invicta
Doomheim
#276 - 2015-06-23 17:10:43 UTC
Tengu Grib wrote:
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
I am phone posting so I can't check but how many people have declared war on the OP? If none I'll get on correcting that later.

Edit: actually read the thread now. Fun story CODE. are actually extremely bad at wars, with a little effort you can probably get kills on them.


Not denying it. I have fun though.


Amen. I am absolutely horrid at wars but they are ALWAYS fought on my terms and not someone else's... and that's what makes me good at PvP.

If you think you've won, think again.

The CODE always wins.
Orca Platypus
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#277 - 2015-06-23 17:16:32 UTC
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Orca Platypus wrote:

And it is completely useless as long as gankers use free ships which can be spammed in thousands at literally no cost.
You must be bad at this game if you don't know even the basics of it.

As long as ganking is free and stupidly easy, every activity is at disadvantage before it by being not free.

So why don't you use free ships to anti-gank then? This is getting a bit confusing now.. can you explain why our ships are free and yours are not?


Your confusion comes from stupidity, this is incurable.
You can gank in free ship because it's easy. You cannot counter-gank in a free ship because gank bringing just a bit of overkill will laugh at your pathetic attempt to harm them. They are invincible because free ship is no loss. They can always have more of them, then just finish the gank later or bring the 2nd wave of another 32 alts in free ships. You can kill 2-3 of them and it changes absolutely nothing, since due to free ship they lose nothing.
Bellatrix Invicta
Doomheim
#278 - 2015-06-23 17:18:53 UTC
Orca Platypus wrote:
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Orca Platypus wrote:

And it is completely useless as long as gankers use free ships which can be spammed in thousands at literally no cost.
You must be bad at this game if you don't know even the basics of it.

As long as ganking is free and stupidly easy, every activity is at disadvantage before it by being not free.

So why don't you use free ships to anti-gank then? This is getting a bit confusing now.. can you explain why our ships are free and yours are not?


Your confusion comes from stupidity, this is incurable.
You can gank in free ship because it's easy. You cannot counter-gank in a free ship because gank bringing just a bit of overkill will laugh at your pathetic attempt to harm them. They are invincible because free ship is no loss. They can always have more of them, then just finish the gank later or bring the 2nd wave of another 32 alts in free ships. You can kill 2-3 of them and it changes absolutely nothing, since due to free ship they lose nothing.


Just wondering who's paying for my ships because my wallet says I do.

If you think you've won, think again.

The CODE always wins.
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#279 - 2015-06-23 17:25:39 UTC
Orca Platypus wrote:
Your confusion comes from stupidity, this is incurable.
You can gank in free ship because it's easy. You cannot counter-gank in a free ship because gank bringing just a bit of overkill will laugh at your pathetic attempt to harm them. They are invincible because free ship is no loss. They can always have more of them, then just finish the gank later or bring the 2nd wave of another 32 alts in free ships. You can kill 2-3 of them and it changes absolutely nothing, since due to free ship they lose nothing.

So then bring another 32 alt or friends of your own in free ships? I don't see your problem. Or is your problem that the other side is prepared, adapting and working together, while you are just sitting there alone and use the fail ECM fit someone in anti-ganking linked you two months ago?

Evil RatKid
Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
#280 - 2015-06-23 17:27:16 UTC
Bellatrix Invicta wrote:
Orca Platypus wrote:
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Orca Platypus wrote:

And it is completely useless as long as gankers use free ships which can be spammed in thousands at literally no cost.
You must be bad at this game if you don't know even the basics of it.

As long as ganking is free and stupidly easy, every activity is at disadvantage before it by being not free.

So why don't you use free ships to anti-gank then? This is getting a bit confusing now.. can you explain why our ships are free and yours are not?


Your confusion comes from stupidity, this is incurable.
You can gank in free ship because it's easy. You cannot counter-gank in a free ship because gank bringing just a bit of overkill will laugh at your pathetic attempt to harm them. They are invincible because free ship is no loss. They can always have more of them, then just finish the gank later or bring the 2nd wave of another 32 alts in free ships. You can kill 2-3 of them and it changes absolutely nothing, since due to free ship they lose nothing.


Just wondering who's paying for my ships because my wallet says I do.


I think he may have confused newbie-ships with the actual ganking ships you guys use. Or he thinks gankers use newbie-ships to gank people. Which would be hilarious, please do that!