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An open letter to CCP.

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Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#241 - 2015-06-23 10:38:20 UTC
I'm slipping. I just now found this thread.
Good for you OP on managing to eat your rage before it ate you. Listening too!
\o/

As for the rest of you....
*popcorn*

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.

Otso Bakarti
Doomheim
#242 - 2015-06-23 10:49:07 UTC
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
As for the rest of you....
*popcorn*
Throwing it...or eating it?P

There just isn't anything that can be said!

Finn McCoul
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#243 - 2015-06-23 11:58:33 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:

Yeah about the OP, it's simply amazing to see a majority of people all gang up and sway the viewpoint of a single person.

As for the relevance of CODE and other ganking groups, I still stand by my original statement in my previous reply.


This is a difficult one, on the one hand I see where you're coming from and I appreciate what you've said, on the other however I disagree people ganged up on to help sway my viewpoint.

Initially I was annoyed, perhaps mostly at my own stupidity but also for the fact I felt the whole bumping me of course felt unfair which I've discussed in another post.

The general consensus however from most people on here was pretty much learn from it, move on and also don't cry on the forums. Some posts were harsher than others but still, the same message was there and the vast majority of people I agreed with. If I didn't agree with what was said I would have cancelled, uninstalled and moved on by now.

Regarding CODE however, unfortunately they've decided to war dec our 3 man corp which may render the game pretty much unplayable for us (or at the the way we want to play it) until that's over. Still, we all have a backlog of other games to catch up on!

Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#244 - 2015-06-23 12:13:22 UTC
Finn McCoul wrote:
Regarding CODE however, unfortunately they've decided to war dec our 3 man corp which may render the game pretty much unplayable for us (or at the the way we want to play it) until that's over. Still, we all have a backlog of other games to catch up on!


Just close the corp and reform it. Stay in an NPC Corp for a week until this whole thing is forgotten and then continue on.

Alternatively, just move out of highsec or move to somewhere that only 1-2 agents patrol and go have some pvp fun.

A wardec is no reason to stop playing the game.
Satan's Spawn
Satan's Enterprises
#245 - 2015-06-23 12:16:30 UTC
Pixie Tickle wrote:
Suicide ganking is literally killing the game. Jack told me he quit, because he lost his venture to a ganker. He was only a day old and he got harassed extensively. We need to end this madness. I think the best way to deal with this issue would be if all those who don't like it just stopped playing. No forum posting either. That will send the proper message to CCP! They will learn that suddenly no one provides any content anymore and will finally remove suicide ganking from highsec.

I am Jack's vocal cords.



i think it's more poor player recrutiment. Inappropriate players playing something incorrectly advertised.
Finn McCoul
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#246 - 2015-06-23 12:20:42 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Finn McCoul wrote:
Regarding CODE however, unfortunately they've decided to war dec our 3 man corp which may render the game pretty much unplayable for us (or at the the way we want to play it) until that's over. Still, we all have a backlog of other games to catch up on!


Just close the corp and reform it. Stay in an NPC Corp for a week until this whole thing is forgotten and then continue on.

Alternatively, just move out of highsec or move to somewhere that only 1-2 agents patrol and go have some pvp fun.

A wardec is no reason to stop playing the game.


This did cross my mind during lunch. The POS's need fuel (something else I was picking up on Sunday) and I very highly doubt we'll get in and out of Jita alive so I was thinking of making an alt or alternatively what you suggested which sounds like the better plan!

HoruSeth wrote:
Finn McCoul wrote:
Over 2 billion in losses which our corp simply can’t afford to replace.


Your corp not!
But when I see your char and your gold pod killmail I am sure you can. And you have flown the freighter, so it was your mistake.

From my perspective the solution is clear. Pay back to your corp what you lost for them.


I discussed this in an earlier post and I will indeed be replacing the freighter when I next can.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#247 - 2015-06-23 12:24:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
... Like using a Jump Freighter in LOW SEC to Jump AROUND high sec thus preventing gank squads from even getting on to the same grid with you.

If you are smart, you don't even need to jump around highsec, though that works perfectly fine too. The 90% reduction in fatigue makes it possible to chain jumps together without too much hassle.

My industry alt does the Stacmon -> Dodixie -> Jita and return run twice a week.

I just put a cyno alt in Yvangier waiting on station to be lit if needed. Yvangier can be jumped to from every single system along that run (all her jump skills are at level IV). So if there was ever any problem, I would light the cyno and jump. Gone within a few seconds even before any issue starts.

She does Stacmon->Amarr and Dodixie->Hek runs (I jump directly into lowsec on that run and then warp back out to highsec). No matter what route there is through highsec, there's always a good lowsec system to stage a cyno alt.

I've never had to do it on the Jita run (I usually jump back into Hevrice on the way back and from there into Syndicate, avoiding all the trouble gank systems), because all of the other methods work perfectly too.


But but BUT that takes TWO CHARACTERS ,one of whom must be able to use both a cyno and a cloak (I cloak my emergency exit cyno off the station so it doesn't get popped I'd rather risk having my JF appear off the station a bit than not have the cyno available at all). and requires a ship that i can't stuff as full of as many billions upon billions of space loot! it also means I have to be at an actual keyboard and awake playing a video game while making imaginary video game profits!

The above points make it a non-starter for like 99% of people who would put things in a freighter, because :EFFORT: is strictly forbidden in the TOS. I know this because the TOS (and my gross misunderstanding of it) is the weapon I use whenever I want something or someone has been mean to me by telling me the truth about my self....

I call it the Crimson Maneuver. Twisted
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#248 - 2015-06-23 12:32:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Vimsy Vortis
I am phone posting so I can't check but how many people have declared war on the OP? If none I'll get on correcting that later.

Edit: actually read the thread now. Fun story CODE. are actually extremely bad at wars, with a little effort you can probably get kills on them.
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#249 - 2015-06-23 12:37:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Eugene Kerner
Finn McCoul wrote:
Dear CCP,

After over 2 years of play, I will be cancelling my EVE sub at the end of July.

Today, I was ganked in high sec in a freighter - the freighter some people bought a PLEX for and donated that ISK to the corp so we could buy it.

It started when roughly 3 ships started to intercept me at a gate which kept knocking me of course and in turn prevented me from warping.
I was then asked for 300 mil in ISK for a “pass” which I refused and to be frank I would actually call that a ransom.
After that someone else tried to contact me but I refused their chat invite and then 19 ships decided to take out me out.
The freighter was lost and so was our Orca which again was bought for by player donations. Over 2 billion in losses which our corp simply can’t afford to replace.

If that grief wasn’t enough one of the gankers then decided to join our open recruitment channel to then inform us (if we didn’t already know by this point) we had been ganked and then posted our kill reports to us. We were then informed that I should have indeed bought a “pass”. All this was in high sec on my way to Jita and to quite frank a little creepy.

EVE is demanding, and at times punishing, it’s part of the game but it is also very rewarding. We were hoping to set up POS’s to start moon mining and ice mining - something we’d been looking forward to for some time and building up towards it but with the loss of our only freighter and Orca it now means that our plan is on indefinite hiatus.
Just as we had started to get somewhere we’re pushed to the ground and now we just don’t feel like getting up again.

Concord just isn’t enough and did absolutely nothing. It doesn’t protect you against extortion so where were / are the in game mods? Or better yet why not have Honorary Concord Members who are players protecting players against attacks like this?

People will claim it’s part of “freedom” within the game but where’s my freedom to be able to move from one high sec system to another and not being extorted for ISK?

I enjoy EVE, I bought the Second Decade set, the LE Source book and the LE Art of New Eden books so it’s like having to leave a club you enjoy going to because there is a large group making your time there unpleasant for you so to be honest it’s sad to go but unless we start again from the start, we have no way of moving forward.

Sorry for the moan but really, extorting ISK out of players is really a step too far.

Kind regards
Finn McCoul


Well to be frank you better get out and never come back. If you cannot follow the simplest rules of social engagement (such as paying ransom if you have a threatening situation like that) then this game has never been for you. There is no safe place in eve. If you had listened to the frequent travel advice given out by many entities then you could have avoided these delöicious tears of yours - then again I would not be able to nourish on them fot the rest of the day.
Thank you for your participation.

TunDraGon is recruiting! "Also, your boobs [:o] "   CCP Eterne, 2012 "When in doubt...make a diȼk joke." Robin Williams - RIP

Marseillefrog
Blueprint Mania
#250 - 2015-06-23 12:49:22 UTC
Finn McCoul wrote:
Dear CCP,

After over 2 years of play, I will be cancelling my EVE sub at the end of July.

Today, I was ganked in high sec in a freighter - the freighter some people bought a PLEX for and donated that ISK to the corp so we could buy it.

It started when roughly 3 ships started to intercept me at a gate which kept knocking me of course and in turn prevented me from warping.
I was then asked for 300 mil in ISK for a “pass” which I refused and to be frank I would actually call that a ransom.
After that someone else tried to contact me but I refused their chat invite and then 19 ships decided to take out me out.
The freighter was lost and so was our Orca which again was bought for by player donations. Over 2 billion in losses which our corp simply can’t afford to replace.

If that grief wasn’t enough one of the gankers then decided to join our open recruitment channel to then inform us (if we didn’t already know by this point) we had been ganked and then posted our kill reports to us. We were then informed that I should have indeed bought a “pass”. All this was in high sec on my way to Jita and to quite frank a little creepy.

EVE is demanding, and at times punishing, it’s part of the game but it is also very rewarding. We were hoping to set up POS’s to start moon mining and ice mining - something we’d been looking forward to for some time and building up towards it but with the loss of our only freighter and Orca it now means that our plan is on indefinite hiatus.
Just as we had started to get somewhere we’re pushed to the ground and now we just don’t feel like getting up again.

Concord just isn’t enough and did absolutely nothing. It doesn’t protect you against extortion so where were / are the in game mods? Or better yet why not have Honorary Concord Members who are players protecting players against attacks like this?

People will claim it’s part of “freedom” within the game but where’s my freedom to be able to move from one high sec system to another and not being extorted for ISK?

I enjoy EVE, I bought the Second Decade set, the LE Source book and the LE Art of New Eden books so it’s like having to leave a club you enjoy going to because there is a large group making your time there unpleasant for you so to be honest it’s sad to go but unless we start again from the start, we have no way of moving forward.

Sorry for the moan but really, extorting ISK out of players is really a step too far.

Kind regards
Finn McCoul


Oh man, the Eve Community is going to have a hayday with this one. You must be a Wow player right?
Marseillefrog
Blueprint Mania
#251 - 2015-06-23 12:50:45 UTC
Also, in the OP "it cost us 2 billion and we can't afford to replace that." Um, what kind of corp is this guy in anyway?
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#252 - 2015-06-23 12:55:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaarous Aldurald
The Space Justice Warriors are in high dudgeon today. Unfortunately for them, they're still using the same old lie that ganking hurts new players, and the same old bullshit claim that ganking(or any non consensual PvP) equates to griefing.

But fortunately for all of the real players, since the only authority that matters has already told the Space Justice Warriors to STFU, they're in dire need of a new Space Justice narrative to try and force on others.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Otso Bakarti
Doomheim
#253 - 2015-06-23 13:02:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Otso Bakarti
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
The Space Justice Warriors are in high dudgeon today. Unfortunately for them, they're still using the same old lie that ganking hurts new players, and the same old bullshit claim that ganking(or any non consensual PvP) equates to griefing.

But fortunately for all of the real players, since the only authority that matters has already told the Space Justice Warriors to STFU, they're in dire need of a new Space Justice narrative to try and force on others.

Such a CODE response. I can see you squeezing your epeen in deep satisfaction as you typed it.
I think redundant posting is against forum rules, however.

There just isn't anything that can be said!

Pixie Tickle
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#254 - 2015-06-23 13:08:55 UTC
Hey wow someone really responded to my bait.
Orca Platypus
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#255 - 2015-06-23 13:41:25 UTC
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Orca Platypus wrote:
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
It takes ~20 people to kill a freighter. I am sure if you bring only half the people as an escort with your freighter you will probably counter the gank easily. I think this is very unbalanced and ganking should get a huge buff to straighten the playing field.


Tried that. ECM just requires bringing 2-3 extra free catalyst pilots. Same with any kind of firepower, in the timeframe of 17 seconds it's difficult to kill more than 2 catalysts. Same with any kind of logictics, no countering that much dps against a vessel with pretty much derp resists.

Worst of all, all those ships are also gankable, even easier than freighter, and some cost more than entire gank party on free catalysts. You're just feeding gankers extra, it's anti-counter.

You got a fleet of ~10 in your escort and you still lost a freighter? There are a gazillion tactics I really wont tell you (bad for business) that come to my mind how you could counter a gank with such an escort...

Maybe you are just bad at the game?


That was just an attempt at counter-ganking I set up in may in Jita. The freighter wasn't ours.
Needless to say, the attempt failed spectacularly - just another proof that shooting, jamming and repping does pretty much nothing.
Zimmy Zeta
Perkone
Caldari State
#256 - 2015-06-23 13:51:51 UTC
Hello Mr McCoul,

Since quite a lot of posters here seem to come late to the party and rage about your OP without having read the entire thread, I would strongly suggest to edit your OP (maybe replace it with a picture of a cute baby sloth or something like that), to keep the ADD masses who only read your original post from flaming or declaring war on you.

I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.

Mithandra
B.O.P Supplication For Glorious
Dracarys.
#257 - 2015-06-23 13:54:01 UTC
I feel your pain. No, I really do.

It's not nice getting your stuff blown up.

This is not a "problem with eve". This "problem" is the direct result of equipping 30,000 borderline sociopaths with heavy weapons and warp drives.

Note I have put "problem" in speech marks. This is to subtly indicate that I do not consider it a problem. Why am I explaining this point? because I suddenly remembered who I was talking to.. the EVE player base.. not known for their subtlety.


Paying the EVE subscription does not give you the automatic right to fly freighters laden with goodies through Jita unmolested
Having the prerequisite skills to fly a freighter does not automatically mean that you should
Being unable to afford to lose a freighter does not mean that you wont lose it.


Four things to remember in EvE:-

1. Might makes right. Just because you want to do something doesn't give you the right to do it. Your wing mates and weapon load outs do that for you.

2. Don't fly it if you cant afford to lose it.

3. If there's a way to bend/break/ignore a game mechanic in Eve, the player base will find it and exploit it to within an inch of the ban stick.

4. Just because you disagree with something does not make it an invalid or illegal method of gameplay.


EVE is a sandbox filled to the brim with case studies that would make any Behavioural Psychologist cry in his chai.



Learn from the experience, start recruiting more or join a larger corporation. You'll soon see the game in a totally new light.

Eve is the dark haired, totally hot emo gothchild of the gaming community

Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#258 - 2015-06-23 14:01:58 UTC
Orca Platypus wrote:
That was just an attempt at counter-ganking I set up in may in Jita. The freighter wasn't ours.
Needless to say, the attempt failed spectacularly - just another proof that shooting, jamming and repping does pretty much nothing.

And you tried that with ~10 friends? Wow, if you fail you fail hard. This is in no way proof that all the stuff you tried does nothing. It's just another proof that anti-gankers always fail because they are really bad at EVE and fail to work together.
Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
SONS of BANE
#259 - 2015-06-23 14:26:29 UTC
Shame.

Ding ding ding.

Shame.
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#260 - 2015-06-23 14:38:28 UTC
Finn McCoul wrote:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:

Yeah about the OP, it's simply amazing to see a majority of people all gang up and sway the viewpoint of a single person.

As for the relevance of CODE and other ganking groups, I still stand by my original statement in my previous reply.


This is a difficult one, on the one hand I see where you're coming from and I appreciate what you've said, on the other however I disagree people ganged up on to help sway my viewpoint.

Initially I was annoyed, perhaps mostly at my own stupidity but also for the fact I felt the whole bumping me of course felt unfair which I've discussed in another post.

The general consensus however from most people on here was pretty much learn from it, move on and also don't cry on the forums. Some posts were harsher than others but still, the same message was there and the vast majority of people I agreed with. If I didn't agree with what was said I would have cancelled, uninstalled and moved on by now.


Unfortunately, the guy you were replying to lacks your willingness to re-think things and be swayed by valid arguments and explanations.

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff