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An open letter to CCP.

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Dave Stark
#181 - 2015-06-22 18:03:10 UTC
Kinete Jenius wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Kinete Jenius wrote:
Why do people keep mentioning the lack of a tank in this situation?


because when 2 charons both hauling 10b jump in to the system you're in... the first one you're going to shoot is the untanked one.

don't be the guy that gets shot first.

Clearly they didn't even bother to scan the tank of the victim as they brought enough to kill a fully tanked Obelisk which has far more ehp then a fully tanked charon. Had they scanned the tank they would of saved isk by not bringing the talos(70-80m fitted) and if they really wanted to skimp some of the catas (7-8m fitted). One talos is easily the cost of 10 catas. Instead they brought enough damage to take out a fully tanked obelisk (the highest ehp freighter you can get).

In this case the one shot first is the first one they bump.


Tengu Grib wrote:

More to the point it was during Burn Amarr. We were ganking EVERYTHING, tanked, untanked, didn't matter. We didn't even care what it was carrying. Though obviously we prioritized higher value targets.

That much was blindingly obvious. You brought enough damage to destroy even a max tanked obelisk. :P


know what's worse than bringing too much dps to a freighter gank?
not ganking a freighter as it slides off in 2% hull because some one got bumped out of the way on the warp in and missed one of their shots, or some one was half asleep and didn't realise that their guns hadn't turned on even though they mashed f1 with the power of a thousand suns etc.

overkill, best kill.

also yeah, burn amarr, gank everything.
my point about tank still stands.
Kinete Jenius
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#182 - 2015-06-22 18:12:21 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Kinete Jenius wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Kinete Jenius wrote:
Why do people keep mentioning the lack of a tank in this situation?


because when 2 charons both hauling 10b jump in to the system you're in... the first one you're going to shoot is the untanked one.

don't be the guy that gets shot first.

Clearly they didn't even bother to scan the tank of the victim as they brought enough to kill a fully tanked Obelisk which has far more ehp then a fully tanked charon. Had they scanned the tank they would of saved isk by not bringing the talos(70-80m fitted) and if they really wanted to skimp some of the catas (7-8m fitted). One talos is easily the cost of 10 catas. Instead they brought enough damage to take out a fully tanked obelisk (the highest ehp freighter you can get).

In this case the one shot first is the first one they bump.


Tengu Grib wrote:

More to the point it was during Burn Amarr. We were ganking EVERYTHING, tanked, untanked, didn't matter. We didn't even care what it was carrying. Though obviously we prioritized higher value targets.

That much was blindingly obvious. You brought enough damage to destroy even a max tanked obelisk. :P


know what's worse than bringing too much dps to a freighter gank?
not ganking a freighter as it slides off in 2% hull because some one got bumped out of the way on the warp in and missed one of their shots, or some one was half asleep and didn't realise that their guns hadn't turned on even though they mashed f1 with the power of a thousand suns etc.

overkill, best kill.

also yeah, burn amarr, gank everything.
my point about tank still stands.
Yes and that's why when I gank I go for overkill. Nothing is as embarrassing as leaving your target alive with a slither of health.

Regardless your tank comment is irrelevant as they brought enough dps to easily destroy a fully tanked charon and the people doing it even said they were targeting everything. So a tank would of done absolutely nothing for him.
Finn McCoul
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#183 - 2015-06-22 18:12:31 UTC
John E Normus wrote:
Elite is ****.


Elite isn't **** it IS the ****

Except for this one time when I ran out of fuel in space which totally wasn't my fault because the game never told me I needed fuel and you don't need to refuel in EVE and they are basically the same game because space ships.

You also get to pick if you'd like to play with other people too which I never do because that would be well unfair on them.

The best part is when it starts to get scary and hard you can just press Esc and run away, funnily enough it's the same tactic I use when I'm sorting out my finances online.
Pixie Tickle
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#184 - 2015-06-22 18:13:51 UTC
Still waiting.
Finn McCoul
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#185 - 2015-06-22 18:13:58 UTC
Pixie Tickle wrote:
Finn McCoul wrote:
Pixie Tickle wrote:
/me bumps her breasts into your chest.

Whooopsy teehee


The best kind of bumping!

I was going to say "The breast kind of bumping" but I didn't know how you guys felt about puns...

You still owe me a massage!


I do, front and back if I recall. Rawr!
Pixie Tickle
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#186 - 2015-06-22 18:18:57 UTC
/me turns around, pressing her backside against ya.

Well let's get to work, my little slave.
Kiandoshia
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#187 - 2015-06-22 18:27:06 UTC
I'm not sure if this is an attention whoring post or a legit.. whatever people call it.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#188 - 2015-06-22 18:31:45 UTC
I like the OP now. Nuff said.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#189 - 2015-06-22 18:35:06 UTC
I fear we may have whitnesse the birth of a new shiptoaster ...

Our ranks grow...

Murderers of Negotiable Motivations

=]|[=
Tengu Grib
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#190 - 2015-06-22 18:35:58 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Kinete Jenius wrote:
Why do people keep mentioning the lack of a tank in this situation?


because when 2 charons both hauling 10b jump in to the system you're in... the first one you're going to shoot is the untanked one.

don't be the guy that gets shot first.


Normally this would be true, but during Burn Amarr you know this to be false. You know very well that Goons and Code would make sure to keep both bumped, and kill both of them, either at the same time for the lulz, or one after the other for a different kind of lulz.

Rabble Rabble Rabble

Praise James, Supreme Protector of High Sec.
Tengu Grib
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#191 - 2015-06-22 18:41:12 UTC
Finn McCoul wrote:

The best part is when it starts to get scary and hard you can just press Esc and run away, funnily enough it's the same tactic I use when I'm sorting out my finances online.



I lulzed.

I like you. I'm glad you decided to stay.

Now get back out there and fly more freighters through Uedama! (please?)

Rabble Rabble Rabble

Praise James, Supreme Protector of High Sec.
Tengu Grib
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#192 - 2015-06-22 18:42:50 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:


know what's worse than bringing too much dps to a freighter gank?
not ganking a freighter as it slides off in 2% hull because some one got bumped out of the way on the warp in and missed one of their shots, or some one was half asleep and didn't realise that their guns hadn't turned on even though they mashed f1 with the power of a thousand suns etc.

overkill, best kill.

also yeah, burn amarr, gank everything.
my point about tank still stands.


You forgot to mention tidi making your guns stick so you expend one bullet instead of 10.

Rabble Rabble Rabble

Praise James, Supreme Protector of High Sec.
Tengu Grib
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#193 - 2015-06-22 18:45:56 UTC
Kinete Jenius wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Kinete Jenius wrote:
Why do people keep mentioning the lack of a tank in this situation?


because when 2 charons both hauling 10b jump in to the system you're in... the first one you're going to shoot is the untanked one.

don't be the guy that gets shot first.

Clearly they didn't even bother to scan the tank of the victim as they brought enough to kill a fully tanked Obelisk which has far more ehp then a fully tanked charon. Had they scanned the tank they would of saved isk by not bringing the talos(70-80m fitted) and if they really wanted to skimp some of the catas (7-8m fitted). One talos is easily the cost of 10 catas. Instead they brought enough damage to take out the highest ehp freighter you can get).

In this case the one shot first is the first one they bump.


Tengu Grib wrote:

More to the point it was during Burn Amarr. We were ganking EVERYTHING, tanked, untanked, didn't matter. We didn't even care what it was carrying. Though obviously we prioritized higher value targets.

That much was blindingly obvious. You brought enough damage to destroy even a max tanked obelisk. :P


We honestly weren't counting. Everyone in fleet undocked for every single kill. No matter the fit. Burn Amarr isn't about isk efficiency, it's about mass destruction, on both ends of the guns.

Rabble Rabble Rabble

Praise James, Supreme Protector of High Sec.
Salah ad-Din al-Jawahiri
Dreamweb Industries
Novus Ordo.
#194 - 2015-06-22 19:06:19 UTC
Did I see a whimpering carebear turn into a GD troll overnight? Marvellous! I have always said that all that some players need is just one little gank.

Agent of the New Order

Live by the Code - die by the Code.

The Voice of Highsec
Symon Phoenix
Natl Assn for the Advancement of Criminal People
#195 - 2015-06-22 19:30:38 UTC
IB4L to collect some of those tears.

Why didn't your corp come to your rescue?
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#196 - 2015-06-22 19:45:49 UTC
Symon Phoenix wrote:
IWhy didn't your corp come to your rescue?

All CODE alt spies, what can ya do? *shrugs*

I'm in it for the money

Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12
Petre en Thielles
Doomheim
#197 - 2015-06-22 20:21:07 UTC
Zimmy Zeta wrote:

On a only slightly related note and in a far too obvious attempt to spread some more controversy to keep this beautiful thread alive, let me state that I find it pretty hilarious how we all are using npc corp alts for delicate tasks such as freighter piloting or boosting and yet condemn those filthy, risk averse, subhuman carebears for hiding in npc corps.


Mate, I post on this forum with three real characters and two NPC alts. I complain about NPC alts with my main, and then shamelessly use them when I need to.

We are all nothing, if not hypocrites.

/EVE
Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#198 - 2015-06-22 20:40:55 UTC
Finn McCoul wrote:
Dear CCP,

After over 2 years of play, I will be cancelling my EVE sub at the end of July.

Today, I was ganked in high sec in a freighter - the freighter some people bought a PLEX for and donated that ISK to the corp so we could buy it.

It started when roughly 3 ships started to intercept me at a gate which kept knocking me of course and in turn prevented me from warping.
I was then asked for 300 mil in ISK for a “pass” which I refused and to be frank I would actually call that a ransom.
After that someone else tried to contact me but I refused their chat invite and then 19 ships decided to take out me out.
The freighter was lost and so was our Orca which again was bought for by player donations. Over 2 billion in losses which our corp simply can’t afford to replace.

If that grief wasn’t enough one of the gankers then decided to join our open recruitment channel to then inform us (if we didn’t already know by this point) we had been ganked and then posted our kill reports to us. We were then informed that I should have indeed bought a “pass”. All this was in high sec on my way to Jita and to quite frank a little creepy.

EVE is demanding, and at times punishing, it’s part of the game but it is also very rewarding. We were hoping to set up POS’s to start moon mining and ice mining - something we’d been looking forward to for some time and building up towards it but with the loss of our only freighter and Orca it now means that our plan is on indefinite hiatus.
Just as we had started to get somewhere we’re pushed to the ground and now we just don’t feel like getting up again.

Concord just isn’t enough and did absolutely nothing. It doesn’t protect you against extortion so where were / are the in game mods? Or better yet why not have Honorary Concord Members who are players protecting players against attacks like this?

People will claim it’s part of “freedom” within the game but where’s my freedom to be able to move from one high sec system to another and not being extorted for ISK?

I enjoy EVE, I bought the Second Decade set, the LE Source book and the LE Art of New Eden books so it’s like having to leave a club you enjoy going to because there is a large group making your time there unpleasant for you so to be honest it’s sad to go but unless we start again from the start, we have no way of moving forward.

Sorry for the moan but really, extorting ISK out of players is really a step too far.

Kind regards
Finn McCoul


you should join ganking freighters until you feel better, its kind of fun, check my youtube (link below)

Harry Forever vs. Goonswarm
Azda Ja
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#199 - 2015-06-22 21:20:26 UTC
Salah ad-Din al-Jawahiri wrote:
Did I see a whimpering carebear turn into a GD troll overnight? Marvellous! I have always said that all that some players need is just one little gank.

Queue feel good 80s movie music and high fives all around. Go team!

Grrr.
Terranid Meester
Tactical Assault and Recon Unit
#200 - 2015-06-23 00:40:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Terranid Meester
Someone tried to gank me once in high sec, they failed.

Then again, I take care to transport any expensive stuff in decent ships and not while autopiloting. I take care to transport [usually] in a time and place where I deem it to be the most feasible at reducing risk to my cargo [and by extension myself]. My stupid losses tend to be in direct fighting.

Adapt, survive. Those that don't are condemned in history.