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Dev blog: The Dominix, Work In Progress And A New Art Director

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Mercer Nen
Summicron Holdings
#141 - 2015-06-20 14:17:17 UTC
The new thrasher model is a great looking ship. Unfortunately it doesn't really look like a Minmatar one. Calderi with wings. Thought the Stabber was an excellent redesign which still looked very Minmatar. Comparing the stabber with this new thrasher it's hard to see how they are from a similar family of ships.
snorkle25
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#142 - 2015-06-20 16:16:45 UTC
First, the goods. I'm really glad you guys are focusing on some ships that badly need re-designs such as the Dominix and Probe. There are a great many other ships that frankly fail to catch the eye in a flattering light from any angle, and these include (but are not limited to) the Bellacose, Scimitar, Aeon and Ragnarock (seriously it looks like the designer just got bored and gave up). Please continue to focus on these areas and bring us awesome looking ships!

Now the others. STOP MAKING GOOD LOOKING SHIPS UGLY!!!!!!!! What in Gods name is this abomination your trying to pass off as a thrasher? It looks like a shoebox with some solar panels glued on at odd angles and in no way does it make me want to fly a thrasher or sabre. I have some serious issues with the art department deciding what parts of EVE need redesigns because you seem to be on a different page with the wider EVE player base. For instance you redesign the Moa, a great move that was needed. Then you neuter the Incursus, a model that EVERYONE was happy with the way that I was. And on top of that you MADE IT WORSE! It wouldn't be so bad if we could just complain and get our pre-abortion Incursus models back, but we can't cause 'we put too much work into it'. So maybe before you go kill another ship model actually get some feedback and STOP AND DESIST! LEAVE THE THRASHER ALONE, YOU'RE ONLY MAKING IT WORSE!
Martin Corwin
Doomheim
#143 - 2015-06-20 16:26:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Martin Corwin
Please keep the broad forehead of the current Dominix! Sad

Any updates on variant models for the Enyo and Ishkur?

Stiletto (one of my favourite ships) looks awesome. Now, make the design shown the in-warp model and for sub-light just swing the upper wings (lower wings stay horizontal) to about 30 degrees to the top. Would make it even more awesome Cool
Sarayu Wyvern
The Bosena Accords
Universal Workers Union
#144 - 2015-06-20 16:54:54 UTC
When might we be seeing those nice looking Atron and Imicus redesigns you showed a few years back?

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Faelune
Tous Pour Un
#145 - 2015-06-20 17:03:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Faelune
Erin Crawford wrote:
Unezka Turigahl wrote:
Nomistrav wrote:
Honestly this would be a golden opportunity to open up the art direction a bit more toward community feedback.

...

I like seeing all of this preliminary concept art, and I hope CCP continues to let us see it. But the artists should probably ignore the threads, or take it all with a grain of salt.

Just look at this thread, the Thrasher is going from this to this, and people are crying about it. Roll


Couldn't agree more! I really like the new direction the design team is taking the ships - seems like there is better scale judgment/ratio and I really like all the tiny tech bits that a showing on these models - the same happened with the Confessor and Jackdaw - great to see this style and level of detail appearing on a Minmatar ship.

Great work! Keep it up CCP.


Not at all
The Thrasher is going from that http://railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=378974
to that
http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/219556JEANBART19535auhavre.jpg
that would had been deconstructed and upsided to down for to fly
Alek Row
Silent Step
#146 - 2015-06-20 18:10:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Alek Row
With all the graphical passes you've been doing some old ships became terrible, but the last pass you made (v5something) was in my opinion a huge boost to Minmatar, lot's of ships look great now, the rust stuff is awesome, big thanks to all who made it.

The problem is that you are trying to make good looking ships look better (a very daunting task) instead of improving old ugly designs that did not got much better even with the v5+. I don't think the Trasher needs an update, not even the Probe, and even if you want to do it they should be at the bottom of Minmatar lineup. Rupture, Belicose should be on top (personal opinion).

I understand that you artists like to challenge yourselves, but trying to change the Trasher? If you're going to take into account the community opinion (that's a big if) this will take you months and several iterations. While if you try to improve the Rupture (maintaining the pirate ship look), I wouldn't be surprised if you could make it in 1-2 months.
I really like the rupture design, but everything on it starts to look very very outdated, the back of the ship lost personality with all the graphical upgrades, and even if some parts of the ship are very well textured now other parts have, well... nothing on it, it looks bad.

Overall, I don't like any of the new designs, I think you have your design priorities wrong, but I can't forget that I didn't liked the Talwar concepts either, and in the end the ship really looks good. Just hope you can make me change my opinion.
Haug Wasch
Interstellar Brotherhood of Freelancers Local 1
#147 - 2015-06-20 20:32:08 UTC
Have you ever heard the saying "If it isn't broke, don't fix it." Well, the thrasher isn't broken. The new stiletto idea looks great, now that was a broken ship.
Wylde Kardde
Wrekker Mix
#148 - 2015-06-20 22:10:18 UTC
If your going to change the thrasher at least consider Option D on the Concepts sketch, its the only appealing design imo and somewhat falls in category with ships like the corax with very visible rows of turrets/launchers. the rest on that picture are not as easy on the eyes compared to D

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Lipbite
Express Hauler
#149 - 2015-06-20 23:06:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Lipbite
Domi is decent. Though it look almost exactly like existing hull.

Scythe / Scimitar / Basi / Osprey redesign, please. These look like satellites designed in 70s by Soviet engineers.
Runner Caldear
Rub Cal Corp
#150 - 2015-06-20 23:38:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Runner Caldear
The minmatar ships have always been flanged together and haphazard. These new models seem a lot more caldari like and a lot less fragile. I think you guys should redo this.......

Domi looks cool though. More in line with a ship of it's stature.

Thanks
Odessa Day
Velocette.
#151 - 2015-06-21 02:50:59 UTC
The original stilletto looks like a dollar store toy, I can't believe anyone is defending it.

I don't think anyone can argue that the new Thrasher model doesn't look tacked together. I think it looks more Minmatar in that sense than the more streamlined original. I also think it keeps in the Minmatar tradition of abrupt forward jutting appendages.

I also don't think it looks very Caldari at all, the new Caldari ships all have shapes heavily influenced by stealth technology, which is in line with their focus on electronic countermeasures. The new Thrasher has nothing of the sort, it is a blunt and brutally functional looking ship that doesn't seem to be constructed with any concern for aesthetics, what could be more Minmatar than that?

Great work Art Department!
Dont listen to the haters!
Circumstantial Evidence
#152 - 2015-06-21 03:49:43 UTC
Runner Caldear wrote:
The minmatar ships have always been flanged together and haphazard. These new models seem a lot more caldari like and a lot less fragile. I think you guys should redo this.......
Yes, this. I think the "problem" for Minmatar design started most recently, with the awesome Tornado. So sleek and modern. At the time the "Tier 3" BC's were all new designs that did not quite "flow" from what came before, and I think CCP has perhaps been too concerned that some players might not want to fly a ship that looks "old." The rookie ships had to be redesigned because it's the first ship a new player sees, I understand that one. But every other ship after that is a choice, and I'll pick an old design that looks and says it's old, if it can do the job I need it to do.

Look at this ship description: "The Wreathe is an old ship of the Minmatar Republic and one of the oldest ships still in usage. The design of the Wreathe is very plain, which is the main reason for its longevity."

Let some ships look old, don't go overboard when borrowing modernization cues, from newer designs.Consider bringing back exposed girders on some of the "older" Minmatar designs. (Some girder stuff went away due to removal of sprite-style flat textures, sticking out of ships to create antennas and other fine details.)
Tyranis Marcus
Bloody Heathens
#153 - 2015-06-21 04:42:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Tyranis Marcus
That Stiletto design is really cool. I like the current Stiletto a lot, so I thought, OH NO! But then I scrolled down and saw it and it ROCKS! Can't wait to see it in-game. (Hoping that design makes it.)

ShockedShockedShocked The Thrasher designs are ******* horrible. Frankly, any of those changes are going to be downgrades and steps backwards. It's a cool looking ship the way it is. Please leave the Thrasher alone! (I know I'm being rude here, but Jesus. There's no other way way to say it, and I am actually holding back. Please don't inflict that on us!)

The Probe looks interesting, but the current Probe design, with the way it floats unstably in the hangar, is too classic to die. Whatever design you pick for the Probe, please make sure it looks good with the unstable wobble it currently has so you can leave that in! Seeing that removed, from the tech 1 version at least, would be a sad day for Eve. (It might make good sense to remove it from the t2 hull though.)

As for the Domi, I suppose I won't say anything until we get to see that 3D model with a skin. That will be the real moment of truth. Some features were changed from the older drawing, so it will be interesting to see how they look on the finished product. (Not sure that it'll be as good as the other artwork, but maybe it'll be even better?)

edit: So, after reading the rest of the blog, I have to say the Cerb looks cool. I'd always hoped you'd get rid of the dropped front from the Caracal completely some day. (Ever since the first time I saw one.) That Cerb design, though, looks better than I'd imagined that weird dropped front thing ever could. Damned nice job!

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Kalden Rollard
New Eden Trade Guild
#154 - 2015-06-21 04:42:47 UTC
I like most of these... but why on earth are you changing the Thrasher like that? It's already quite a sleek and compact design; but again we see some weird fixation on odd asymmetry and shifting of the centre of weight? You've got this weird growth on the top and then the front shifts far too much downward.

On top of that - might I ask why you're focussing on reskinning existing ships when so many t2 variants are just boring-ass reskins? Surely time spent on giving unique models for t2 variants would make the game that much better?Pirate
Tyranis Marcus
Bloody Heathens
#155 - 2015-06-21 05:10:08 UTC
CCP Jorg wrote:
Hello everyone and thanx for your thoughts and input.

We knew the Thrasher would be controversial - its a really fresh and different design.

Keep in mind these are all still WIP and that´s perhaps a key point to take from this dev blog.
We are showing you designs at a pretty early stage and looking for feedback.

Also, we thought giving everyone a little inside into our workflow, seeing early sketches etc would be fun to do.



I don't think "fresh" is exactly the word I'd use...

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Freelancer117
So you want to be a Hero
#156 - 2015-06-21 06:05:42 UTC
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Pestilen Ratte
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#157 - 2015-06-21 06:43:39 UTC
Dominix: Yes. Good work. Great work, even.

Slasher: Are you high? Step away from the pencil, and consider your options.

Life is hard enough for minmatar as it is. Those poor little rust monkeys ought to get a fighting chance.
Ramlov
Miners Against Rampant Stupidity
#158 - 2015-06-21 08:55:53 UTC
Thank you. Realy happy to see the ships getting some balance to thier looks. Had to run out and buy an Exequror after it was remodled(even though I don't need it) nice work. Removing the Incursus phallic problem was a nice touch now it looks like antenne instead of a ....lance. Hint the Atron is awfully heavy on the right side :)
I would like to point out I chose Gallente because thier ships looked sleeker, and not like a bunch of cargo containers thrown together with some solar panels on top. Admittingly that look is interesting just not for me. The Thrasher though is one of the few Minmatar ships that dosen't need a redesign.
Nice work, please keep at it. I know I don't speak for everyone but I'm sure most of us like a ship that has a balanced look, and not trying to drag an ungainly chunck of junk around with it.(for those wondering I like the Comet and the Brutix)
Looking forward to the future ships changes. Keep up the good work.
Merior
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#159 - 2015-06-21 10:35:39 UTC
Apart from ships that are ugly in that their mass is off centre and the lh side is not a virtual mirror image of the rh side, I don't see a need to redesign any of the ships. That is unless you look at the Svipul which transforms from a perfectly acceptable ship into embarrassing configurations which don't look fit for the purpose. So from a personal perspective you can leave ships like the Dominix alone as restyling them will do nothing to make my Eve experience better (and tends to inhibit it) whereas restyling the ships that look like two halves of separate ships glued together might encourage me to buy one, regardless of whether I truly need one or not, so long as the end result is aesthetically pleasing.

Alstevar Eastern
Caldari State
#160 - 2015-06-21 10:48:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Alstevar Eastern
Well, the new Thrasher Redesign WIP is good for a new destroyer but it's definitely not the Thrasher.

You show us the possibility to add some parts on it but it can be better without some others.

Like this : http://i.imgur.com/v2W4Ij4.jpg

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