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I was happily surprised to see the devblog be posted today, as I figured CCP would just post it as they ran out the door Fri.


...then I read the devblog.

I have since adjusted my recommendation for how to redress the situation

If you really want to make amends you need to:
1. Swallow your pride (reinsert after each following step)
2. Formally reprimand CCP Surge for intentionally further antagonizing the player base <- New
3. Admit the idea was well intended but horribly implemented.
4. Admit you were wrong to ignore test server feedback.
5. Admit you were wrong to force a knowingly broken (ie defective) product onto paying customers.
6. Admit you were wrong to ignore feedback after the release.
7. Admit you were wrong to be so slow in any form of response even after you finally realized there was an issue.
8. Admit you are wrong to try to continue to force us down this path with a long and drawn out incremental minor fix and twitch approach.
9. And to prove you are sincere: Refund players for the broken time they got tricked into funding for your failed and knowingly broken beta test (i.e. the # of days from the time accounts were canceled until the accounts finally expired. or at the very least give them that many days back onto their accounts after you eventually fix this issue.)

Seriously if this is the best CCP can muster after this long, ...words fail me.

Thanks for again not admitting failure on your original design or the terribad implementation plan...

Except you didn't really stick to the fundamentals of this concept. There are numerous examples of icons that bridge at least 2 of these shapes at the same time, Cruisers for example, are half triangle, half square. The new stargate is just a slightly rounded square. POCOs are structures but have a diamond shape, carriers also have a diamond shape, as do some arrays too.

This is not done by making icons more complicated with more information. Redundant information at that. The definition of a good icon set is simplicity. Why not just add role and race and weapon/mod bonus to the icon and remove the Type column all together?

To use your very example against you, a Curse is of greater concern than an Osprey, they represent wholly different tactical scenarios, yet both had the same icon under the new system. Now I'm not asking for even more granularity, but if your reason for increasing the number of icons that need to be committed to memory was due to tactical differences, you failed miserably. Again, clearer systems generally evolve around being more simple, not more complex. Keep It Simple.

And what are the real numbers for ISIS utilization? I personally don't know anyone that has opened it more than once, if at all. Last time I tried to use it I had to close/minimize EVERY other window I had open in game in order to be able to see everything that was remotely close to an edge. You always cite note needing to change stuff because only a minority of the playerbase is affected, how about in this case?

Instead we now have 5 separate frigate hull icons, 12 different container icons, and how many icons that used to be something else? You still have VERY close ties between a Cruiser and a Dread, the only functional difference being the couple of pixels sticking off the bottom.

And what was wrong with the old Stargate icon? It was 100x better than the scrunched/squarish pacman. Actually, pretty much half the icons could be substituted into a handful of old atari games and nobody would know the difference... The new icons can very nearly all be closely matched up with easily recognizable items from pacman, space invaders, and even mario (industrial ships look like mushrooms etc). Hire a real icon designer and not one of your artists who doesn't actively play Eve.

You also didn't admit that the implemtation and rollout of the new icons was a bad plan. Disregarding feedback and adding hundreds of new icons into the game (duplicating several but with a new/different function). They should have been changed/released in small iterations to each sub-group of icons over time. Thats like someone taking every single program/shortcut on your PC and renaming them and changing the icon/color, all at the same time, and then expecting you to not suffer any loss of productivity and not need a cheat-sheet.

There are still several things that were never answered:
1) Capsule icon, why change it to be a worse looking version than before?
2) Why do we need 5 frigate icons?
3) Why do we need 12 container icons?
4) Why do we need 8 drone icons (which is much better than the first attempt of 27)?

Just these couple of items in the old system only had 3 icons to remember, but now they have 25!

Since I'm not being paid to do your work and you out right ignored and disregarded ALL of the feedback we gave your for months I'm not doing it anymore, you can figure it out or have to fire more staff when this quarters subscription count drops significantly. You don't listen to players, maybe you will listen to your wallet.

Then i will not come back to game anymore, deal with it, and no you can't have my stuff, let it dust in stations.

Yuppers, 3 accounts here that aren't renewing and expire within a month... and I'm keeping my hundreds of billions to make quite a dust bunny farm as well, maybe eventually I'll have dust dragons... Maybe we can coordinate stations so our dust farms can hang out?

CPP if you want to see me still playing
DO NOT FORCE ME TO USE OLD ICONS!!!

also to make icons better
1) filled/empty icons is a bad idea to divide players and NPC. This is nearly invisible and stops you from using internal space of icons.
2) internal space of icons can be used for colormarks. This will solve problem with too many drone icons and will allow to mark different classes of ships. And of course this must be customizable.
3) give them ability to use old icons. I want to use their learning disability aganist them.

Colour in today's EVE UI, ya think?

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=393625&p=4

Old Neocom vs New Neocom - http://i.imgur.com/04VVcpJ.png

Why? We'll never know.

Yea, and npc looks almost the same as a player, very adaptable.

That is one better argument Sir, congratulation.

I'm aggree with this, the inside filled should have more opacity.


Anyhow, who the fruck even has NPCs displayed on his Overview ?

[:evil:After reading CCP Surge's devblog on the new UI Icons, you've totally won me over.

Oh wait.. No you haven't. Actually, I kinda hate myself for renewing now.

While I'm not against changing UI elements, I am against the terrible, half-assed artistic work put into these.

If I wanted to play an 8-bit arcade game, I'd go pull out the old Nintendo..

They're still crap, no matter how many excuses you make for them. In fact the entire sarcastic, ignorant tone of that article disgusts me as a paying customer. Who am I to judge the artistic work of this game? Oh right.. One of the many people that pay your damned salaries. How disgustingly ignorant of you to tell me how I should adapt to your untested, broken, and utterly garbage work.

This may very well be my last month playing EvE after this ignorant crap, I certainly wish I had seen this ignorant crap before my subscriptions went through and I bought more PLEX. Say goodbye to my hundreds of dollars a month.

Pretty much this, but it would be nice if CCP came out and said that it wasn't just to keep the artists busy doing something because they couldn't do development work on the many core game issues that have needed so much love for so many years already.

Precisely, but don't let that be taken as a suggestion to add even more complexity and variance to the icons, as that is exactly the opposite of what an icon should be. Less is more.

Its not that I hate the new icons enough to finally quit, its that CCP's handling of this change, and quite a few prior. The straw that broke the camel's back. Every time they 'say' they've learned from disregarding players, they just come out and prove 1 or 2 patches down the line that they really didn't.

The guy that posted the hard numbers from dotlan or where ever it was needs to do another pull so all the non-believers who think CCP isn't killing this game can finally understand.