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Dev blog: Feedback on the new Overview Brackets

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Cleanse Serce
Lonesome Capsuleer
#21 - 2015-06-18 18:27:19 UTC
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We are aware that a sudden and drastic update to some small but very important space symbols may have inherently vaporized several trillions of ISK from the economy. As pilots undocked expecting their familiar foes to be square brackets and crosses they unexpectedly came under attack by chevrons, diamonds, and house-shaped adversaries armed to the teeth. Some were so spooked and disoriented they began to fire on any geometric symbols in their vicinity. Others believed they were being attacked by their own warp bubbles and returned fire… Those that managed to adapt quickly in the early days of the great Iconocalypse of 2015 certainly profited handsomely from the confusion it sowed.

But in New Eden space is merciless, and change is ever-present.


I loved it so much. ♥

Thank you CCP for hearing the community and re-evaluate the NPC and drones issue.

I love the new Ship icones and i'm already used to them now, but i still have some bad feelings for some Celestial ones, like the Gate looking like a pizza piece, the Sun kinda cartoonish or the Beacon looking like a Xmas tree. :D

All in all good job as always !
Can't wait this customization option !

o/
Katrina Bekers
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#22 - 2015-06-18 18:31:09 UTC
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Mea culpa to those affected.

Who are you, and what you did to my CCP?

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LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#23 - 2015-06-18 18:32:09 UTC
Ok, so basically, CCP is going to continue pushing through the terrible icon set come what may. Fine, no surprise there, noone likes to admit that their work is shite.

But i have spacial thanks to the people who did this: "" Catering to several years of feedback telling us the old bracket system, separating ships only by size categories, was not as useful as it could be""

Whoever decided that rocking the boat was good idea, you have my personal thanks from the bottom of my heart, you truly deserve it. Thank you for ruining it for the rest of us. God bless you.
Chessur
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#24 - 2015-06-18 18:32:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Chessur
CCP all I want is to be able to order ships / ship classes by color.

For example- if I could make

* All recon ships appear pink
* All logi Green
* All interceptors red

That would help IMMENSELY with my situational awareness. Give me the ability to assign colors, not just depend on this horrible symbology that is overly complicated. I need something that is quick, and intuitive. NOT something that fits inside the 'art vision'.

Real HUDs (Heads up displays) On modern fighter aircraft are extremely simple in their design, however they convey all of the necessary information needed during a fight in a much more efficient, and intuitive matter.

FUNCTION BEFORE FORM.
Cr Turist
Arcana Noctis
#25 - 2015-06-18 18:32:23 UTC
i dont understand why we cant have a choice in reverting to the old overview. some of the new shapes and stuff for buildings and deploy-able units is ok but the ship and my god the drone symbols in space are just so cluttered.
Galmas
United System's Commonwealth
#26 - 2015-06-18 18:32:50 UTC
please implement an option to move back to a more general icon set, like icon x for ships, icon y for drone, icon z for whatever else. for me 5-10 different icons would be totally fine and a big improvement over the icon nightmare it has been since the change...

I have played quite some hours since the icon change and still i am totally lost once small scale fights kick of with fleet of like 20 vs 20 with 5-6 different classes of ships... i basically have to completely ignore the icons and solely look at the type column of the overview.

The extreme granularity is a clear loss of situation awareness to me. Or the other way around my brain got too dumb after 7 or so years of actively playing and small scale fleet fighting in eve.

I have red plenty of arguments for the new icon set, the in-game experience backs almost none of them.
Cr Turist
Arcana Noctis
#27 - 2015-06-18 18:34:28 UTC
Cleanse Serce wrote:
Quote:
We are aware that a sudden and drastic update to some small but very important space symbols may have inherently vaporized several trillions of ISK from the economy. As pilots undocked expecting their familiar foes to be square brackets and crosses they unexpectedly came under attack by chevrons, diamonds, and house-shaped adversaries armed to the teeth. Some were so spooked and disoriented they began to fire on any geometric symbols in their vicinity. Others believed they were being attacked by their own warp bubbles and returned fire… Those that managed to adapt quickly in the early days of the great Iconocalypse of 2015 certainly profited handsomely from the confusion it sowed.

But in New Eden space is merciless, and change is ever-present.


I loved it so much. ♥

Thank you CCP for hearing the community and re-evaluate the NPC and drones issue.

I love the new Ship icones and i'm already used to them now, but i still have some bad feelings for some Celestial ones, like the Gate looking like a pizza piece, the Sun kinda cartoonish or the Beacon looking like a Xmas tree. :D

All in all good job as always !
Can't wait this customization option !

o/


See this guys runs level 4s and if i ran level 4s i would love these changes too but i dont i pvp and in a 500 man fight these changes dont work.
Alhira Katserna
Deep Space Exploration And Exploitation
#28 - 2015-06-18 18:35:31 UTC
Why not just color the NPCs red again?
Callic Veratar
#29 - 2015-06-18 18:36:13 UTC
I was really confused as to why the 'new' and 'improved' icons looked so blurry. They really don't work for 90%.
Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
#30 - 2015-06-18 18:36:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Jeremiah Saken
CCP can you link us new icons chart of something, it would be easier to discuss which icons should be changed.
Edit: just saw them in the blog...

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Pixie Tickle
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2015-06-18 18:37:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Svenja Timofeyeva
I stopped at "we wanted to increase situational awareness". Thanks to your lack of logic you killed my situational awareness and I am still incapable of telling things apart. At 90% your icons are literally worthless and I do doubt it changes at 100%, which is not an option for me anyway.


Please just think about this for a second, because this is what you did:

- I want to increase your situational awareness by completely breaking it. -

I understand the thought of improving things to make it easier to recognize symbols, but that is not what you did. You made it harder to recognize symbols, because literally every single brain of the thousands of people had the previous patterns ingrained already.

It is extremely insulting to assume that you know better, because you do not.

Change, for the sake of Change, is bad when you forget what was before that Change and how used people are to what they had before. Your ignorance is insulting.



Whoever is responsible for the latest decision seems to have completely lost his perspective. In recent times you have started insulting players by simply kicking them in the face. You lost common sense. You see good things where there are none. This change, just like the fleet-warp-change, is completely disconnected from the people.

Disconnected.


You know what this tells me? You don't even play this game and you should be ashamed of yourself for daring to be above all the players. You are not. You are not smarter. You are not wiser. You force these changes onto us and you completely WRECKED the minds of several THOUSANDS of people by removing something we all have been used to.

I have lost my respect for you as a company, because you completely removed us older players from considerations. You have lost my respect, because you do not even see the **** you are doing and how you will only hurt yourself while delusionally thinking you are improving something.

Your ignorance is insulting.


You people need to realise that you can't just **** over us like this. If you think you'll get away with the fleet-warp-changes like you did with the icons (and why do you even need such a blog?) then you will see that you can't keep treating us like this.


I will not read through this blog any further. It reminds me of the insult from CCP Zulu back at Incarna. You can not spin yourself out of this ****. You can not. You will not. We are not stupid.


Stop insulting us.
Teh Replika
Lazerhawks
L A Z E R H A W K S
#32 - 2015-06-18 18:41:09 UTC
Dear CCP. As much as i love what you are doing to keep this game alive but,

A: http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/ui-modernization-icon-strategy/ - this was just better, in terms of ship icons.
B: Give us the ability to pick icon sets ourselves.
C: At least give us ability to merge all drones into single icon.

And finally D: please stop enforcing so much stuff. give ability to players to choose from whatever they like.

Be it font style, icon set, icon group merge, target window style (the one you showed in original dev blog years ago just looked better than the one you've actually released ( the one where shield/armor/hull were up left and right bars ) )

Or just give us the option to install mods for this things if you don't want to do it yourselves.

Thank You.

//Rep
Milla Goodpussy
Garoun Investment Bank
#33 - 2015-06-18 18:41:21 UTC
so basically CCP has just said they're not adding an opt-out switch, and they also flipped us the bird in that dev blog.

wow
GeeBee
Backwater Redux
Tactical Narcotics Team
#34 - 2015-06-18 18:44:47 UTC
I said it on the neocom icons and I'll say it on this. These are small little artwork features that could / should be open for players to change, create, and utilize as they wish. If you're going to make a change on the way things have been for 10 years thats primarily cosmetic then it doesn't need to be shoved down our throats; Options are good, mandates are not.
Pixie Tickle
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2015-06-18 18:45:04 UTC
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Mea culpa to those affected.
Your worthless apology only makes it worse.
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#36 - 2015-06-18 18:45:25 UTC  |  Edited by: LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Cr Turist wrote:
i dont understand why we cant have a choice in reverting to the old overview. some of the new shapes and stuff for buildings and deploy-able units is ok but the ship and my god the drone symbols in space are just so cluttered.


Because then 95% of the playerbase will turn off the new icon set, just like the new map, and with that statistic CCP will have justification to let go the icon design team members - for inability to deliver useful change. or at least there will be negatives in the performance reviews.

And i strongly suspect that this whole project was started as a make-work thing just to keep someone busy in the first place. it was not needed, it was not asked for, and they could not even deliver, and now whoever approved it is also in the firing line. SHAME.

So of course these guys are fighting tooth and nail for their jobs. Office politics, and to hell with customer satisfaction.

Frankly in company where I work at, people have been fired for smaller fiascos. And there is nothing wrong with this. You deliver, or you leave.

EDIT - of course the alternative is that CCP considers the icons just fine and dandy, in which case they have a tremendously bad disconnect between themselves and the player base. And there is evidence for this as well.

So pick your poison, it all boils down to bad management, and I wont be terribly surprised at whats going to happen a few years down the road.
Darkblad
Doomheim
#37 - 2015-06-18 18:56:08 UTC
CCP Surge wrote:
We’re looking to add an icon column to the customization window, to make it super simple to understand which items you want the tab to display and how.
Finally! Looks like the Iconocalypse was of some use.

While not affected myself, the only issue I had with the new Icons was the case of 90% UI Scale P

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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#38 - 2015-06-18 19:04:22 UTC
You know what you could do... is let us design our own icons, transparent png's that we just put in a folder should be simple enough.

And those that don't wish to use yours can simply (within a week or two) have 10th's or more to chose from fitting their exact needs.

I'm in the category that feels that going from a handful set of icons to many is simply too overwhelming and tbh all I see are flying canister icons... The only good icon was the corpse one, that actually puts spot on what type of item it is on the overview.

/c

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Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
#39 - 2015-06-18 19:12:04 UTC
CCP Surge wrote:
We’re looking to add an icon column to the customization window, to make it super simple to understand which items you want the tab to display and how.

What does it mean exactly? Would we have an option to change icons to previous versions?

"I am tormented with an everlasting itch for things remote. I love to sail forbidden seas..." - Herman Melville
Jafit McJafitson
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#40 - 2015-06-18 19:12:08 UTC
I like thework done so far, and they're fine to read when you get used to them and learn them, however I don't believe they are fulfilling their stated goals as effectively as they could. Some of the stated goals in the devblog are:

"Improving player’s situational awareness and reaction times in combat."

"Catering to several years of feedback telling us the old bracket system, separating ships only by size categories, was not as useful as it could be."

The old icons were based on size class... but so are the new ones. They don't indicate tech level or whether its a faction ship. A Sleipnir has the same icon as an Oracle, or a Tengu has the same icon as an Arbitrator.

If ships with vastly different capabilities and roles are represented by the same icons, then the icons are failing to fulfill their stated goals. There wasn't much point in changing them from the old system.

Here are some suggestions (in keeping with the Space Invaders theme) for how icons could be expanded to represent different tech levels.