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Instawarp MWD+Cloak
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Nicholas Kirk
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#21 - 2015-06-18 13:47:10 UTC
Market McSelling Alt wrote:
Nicholas Kirk wrote:
Stacy Lone wrote:
It is annoying in LS, but less so in 0.0 where a solo Sabre can make this trick quite difficult to pull off.

In LS, just get a fast cepi and you'll catch them 40% of the time. Which means plenty of time to get him on one of the gates on his route ;)

Seriously, a cepi or sabre isn shooting ducks with cannons. It's just using the right tools.

If never lost any of my low end low skilled alts in LS using this combo. WHs and null with bubbles and lots of frigs tho have snagged a few but LS 40% you're on crack.



If you use a T3 with an interdictor nullifier then you can skip the cov ops offensive and use the MWD+Cloak trick. This is the best way to get a ratting T3 into otherwise un-useable null space.


This is true I as I have a fast GTFO high scanning res nulifide T3 that is travel fit to use the with the cloak and MWD that needs to escape while probing and relies on cloaking and moving off when theres lots of badies after jumping a WH or Null gate It's the same trick but with max skill and a covert cloak. But if allows me to stay on field to get Intel in ships.
I've lost 1 in 2 years to an aggressive Null gang but never to LS.
Nicholas Kirk
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#22 - 2015-06-18 14:02:07 UTC
Also I won't use this trick with my viators. They need to align and warp asap and not wait the MWD pulse. Max nav and adv ship skill with nav implant makes my 2 viator alts impossible to catch running max cargo and only seen one snagged by remote boosted loki. Every other viator loss I had was replaced by CCP (decloaking on its own or some sort of lag issue where your being shot with no timer after jumping) or I went AFK while jumping lol
Otso Bakarti
Doomheim
#23 - 2015-06-18 15:49:30 UTC
Dalto Bane wrote:
I am just curious of what the general opinion is on this tactic?

I know it has been around forever. I am just seeing it used in such frequency in Lowsec lately that my buttmad is starting to show. It's a bit annoying to have T1 ships with the same immunity to being pointed as a covert ship right off the gate. Of course there are tactics to combat these ships but its like taking an atom bomb to an anthill just to catch one.
Huh? Your insta-lock don't work? QQ.

There just isn't anything that can be said!
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#24 - 2015-06-18 19:08:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Dalto Bane wrote:
I am just curious of what the general opinion is on this tactic?

I know it has been around forever. I am just seeing it used in such frequency in Lowsec lately that my buttmad is starting to show. It's a bit annoying to have T1 ships with the same immunity to being pointed as a covert ship right off the gate. Of course there are tactics to combat these ships but its like taking an atom bomb to an anthill just to catch one.

Cloak+MWD trick is a perfect counter-balance to no talent scrubs camping a gate for easy kills. It actually takes more timing/mental effort than said gate-camp scrubs locking and F1'ing IMHO...

But if you are really butthurt you could ship your scrubbies into smart-bombing BS's, and also enjoy additional no-talent murders of transient interceptors also...

tldr;
#scrubproblems

p.s.
The proper sequence to doing this IMHO...

- Press Align
- wait 1/2 second, hit hotkey for Cloak
- IF("You cannot cloak because cloaked" message) THEN quickly hit hotkey for Cloak a second time (one ping only!)
- Pulse MWD (press on, press off right away). You can still fire your MWD for 1-2 seconds after activating cloak, with benefit of not blooming your sig to speed enemy lock (because your cloaked right?). Many say MWD then Cloak, I say the reverse.
- Wait for MWD to reach shutoff point, hit hotkey for Cloak (de-cloak)
- Immediately mash warp-to

p.p.s.
Your welcome.
F

Would you like to know more?
Freya Sertan
Doomheim
#25 - 2015-06-18 19:14:07 UTC
Dalto Bane wrote:
Keisha Tachyon wrote:
They did put effort in. They fit a cloak on a ship normaly not suited to it. As in they have put on a travel fit.

As such you should not really see those as "missed" kills. Because let´s be honest, the Pilot put thought in the way he/she moved around. Meaning if that trick would stop working they would not be flying around unscouted in that ship anyway.


Fair enough, though I would disagree with you on the "they would not be flying around unscouted"Lol

My question to you is, "Does this tactic, when used, devalue the role of blockade runners?"


Absolutely not. Any ship with enough PG and CPU can fit a cloak. Only certain ones can fit Covops cloaks. BRs and DSTs are cargo ships, obviously. I can MWD+Cloak trick with just about any hull in the game. Yeah, I COULD do it with a Tayra but that's why I fly a Crane. It's absolutely indispensible for ships that can't fit a Covops cloak.

Cloaking away from a gate isn't only the providence of BRs/DSTs. You make it sound like cloaking up and warping off in a Tristan breaks the value of a Crane.

When of course, it doesn't.

New Eden isn't nice. It isn't friendly. It isn't very hospitiable. Good thing there are people here to shoot in the face.

Want to make New Eden a nice place? Try this out.
Dalto Bane
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2015-06-18 20:01:24 UTC
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
Dalto Bane wrote:
I am just curious of what the general opinion is on this tactic?

I know it has been around forever. I am just seeing it used in such frequency in Lowsec lately that my buttmad is starting to show. It's a bit annoying to have T1 ships with the same immunity to being pointed as a covert ship right off the gate. Of course there are tactics to combat these ships but its like taking an atom bomb to an anthill just to catch one.

Cloak+MWD trick is a perfect counter-balance to no talent scrubs camping a gate for easy kills. It actually takes more timing/mental effort than said gate-camp scrubs locking and F1'ing IMHO...

But if you are really butthurt you could ship your scrubbies into smart-bombing BS's, and also enjoy additional no-talent murders of transient interceptors also...

tldr;
#scrubproblems

p.s.
The proper sequence to doing this IMHO...

- Press Align
- wait 1/2 second, hit hotkey for Cloak
- IF("You cannot cloak because cloaked" message) THEN quickly hit hotkey for Cloak a second time (one ping only!)
- Pulse MWD (press on, press off right away). You can still fire your MWD for 1-2 seconds after activating cloak, with benefit of not blooming your sig to speed enemy lock (because your cloaked right?). Many say MWD then Cloak, I say the reverse.
- Wait for MWD to reach shutoff point, hit hotkey for Cloak (de-cloak)
- Immediately mash warp-to

p.p.s.
Your welcome.
F


You and a few others have somehow interpreted my asking the perspective of the masses, and the fact that I am not fond of the cloak+MWD trick to me being in support of gatecamping. I have camped a gate or two in my time, but a large majority of kills I am associated with are legitimate hunter/killer roams and the kills on gates are ships being ran down, hence why these ships are getting away since we are not a "proper gatecamp". I have no interest in name calling or backhanded remarks. I would like to think some of you better than that.

Drops Mic
Patri Andari
Thukker Tribe Antiquities Importer
#27 - 2015-06-18 21:41:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Patri Andari
You should Google Le Skunk and his diatribe about this on the old forums. Now that was some butthurt RAGE!

Be careful what you think, for your thoughts become your words. Be careful what you say, for your words become your actions. Be careful what you do, for your actions become your character. And character is everything. - author unknown
Yang Aurilen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#28 - 2015-06-18 21:56:31 UTC
Dalto Bane wrote:
I am just curious of what the general opinion is on this tactic?

I know it has been around forever. I am just seeing it used in such frequency in Lowsec lately that my buttmad is starting to show. It's a bit annoying to have T1 ships with the same immunity to being pointed as a covert ship right off the gate. Of course there are tactics to combat these ships but its like taking an atom bomb to an anthill just to catch one.


Ok. Now imagine I'm doing that. With stabs in the lows!Shocked

Post with your NPC alt main and not your main main alt!
Senirab Olacar
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#29 - 2015-06-19 00:14:27 UTC
Was that you I dodged in Ruchy earlier today? Lol

I'd sympathize if it were foolproof, but it's not. It takes more practiced use of shortcuts than [target] + [fire]. And just like the offensive modules, you can get burned by a bad tick or a twitchy finger. I've had cloak fail to engage on more than one occasion, leaving me a sitting duck.

Others already mentioned playstyles that can counter it. It's not guaranteed to work, but guaranteed PVP would be no different than mining.

Someone dismissed it above, but it absolutely increases lowsec content. It mitigates the risk enough for T1 haulers to enter lowsec, which makes it familiar and/or habitual practice, which both increases raw content and probably delivers more lazy people who haven't been caught in the last couple months.

With no ability to dodge the camps, those T1 haulers would be a myth in lowsec, rather than an expected event. You'd be camping *only* BRs. Is that content?
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