Player Features and Ideas Discussion

That wasn't PvP. That was just malicious ganking, carried out by trolls and caused many people to leave the game. It tainted the reputation of the game as a whole, and has slowed it's growth and prosperity.

And despite the changes, it persists. You have mental giants playing right now that look at a miner and call him content, rather than the rock he's mining.

system is still not broken

doesn't matter how much you whinge, whine, pout, cry, scream and rant about it. in this or any other thread.

you died because YOU failed to take npc aggression mechanics into account
YOUR fault, not ccp's


adapt or die
the favourite mantra of the "pvp elite"
right back at you

Both parties seem to be unhappy about the Ratter-ganking situation.
The following might be a solution:
- Update the NPCs to have the following behaviors
-- 1) give npcs an acitve tank. (stronger remote)
-- 2) let npcs notice if/when their tank is breaking.
-- 3) if their tank is breaking, they want to escape. (message in local). Everything that is not pointed warps off. Also the boss and his loot, if not pointed, might warp off.
-- 4) If another capsuleer shows up and the "guessed" dps of both these ships is too much, npcs try to escape.
-- 5) If the agenda of the npcs was to protect some assets, they try to secure these assets by undocking a freighter/hauler out of this facility and try to get it aligned and warped off. They defend against anything that tries to destroy that convoy.
-- 5.1) if the capsuleer's point on the convoy is dropped, it warps off and so do the remaining npcs.

conclusion and effects:
1+2+3 => pve needs to fit a point => good for pvp situation and possible commitment.
4) => lets you have a 1v1 situation. (or NvN if ganking a team). without any rat dps aggro whatsoever.
another effect is, that one pve encounter might be done more quickly. but the loot is not as much. there might also be a chance that the pveship is not quick enough to point the convoy. balancing work can be done here to solve the problem. Maybe there might be skill in applying points required to actually get some loot and action.

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issues: what if pve is not dropping his point on the convoy? will the ncps be too scared and secure their lifes? I would make it so the npcs leave the convoy alone or wait out the duel and then defend again, because 1v1 is better than any story reasons. So if he still points the convoy, he gets dps by npcs. If he drops the point, he wont and therefor might survive the pvp engagement. .... Or he is greedy and does both....and dies! (i like those decision possibilities)
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What you think? ( i might have to post this into a new thread and deal with aggro myself)
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TLDR
-PVE needs to fit points.
-if there is a pvp situation its basicly without any npc aggro at all for neither party.
-pve will be quicker and harder.

So you want all PvE to be impossible with sniping boat unless I somehow alpha every single one of my target or they would detect their tank as failing and warp off?

Translation: I should be able to kill blingy expensive ships without risking any real assets of my own.

If that is the only cost to an improvement im glad to pay it. Sniping the npcs wasnt as much fun anyway because too "unrisky".
Alpha can be made detectable, ty for mentioning.

You want to roam in a ship that costs a fraction of your target and let the NPC's make up the difference.

Right now you have to field an equivalent performing ship, but can still fit things like Neuts to kill your targets tank that your target is all but guaranteed not to have because they are useless in PvE.

You still have more options and most advantages due to being the aggressor.

So it's not just that you can't roam, you can't roam where you want, when you want, how you want. Sounds like an entitlement problem.



No, I don't. That person and their friends put in, and continue to put in, substantial effort in forming a defense against exactly the activity you are trying to do. Congratulations, you can be disrupted in your chosen activity too. Non-consensual PvP for all is good times, right?



LOL. Again, entitlement issue. Pay to play or go home.

1) Why in the hell would someone use a Raven in a lvl 3?
2) There is a NPC faction BS shooting at him, not a lvl 3.
3) How is it that he got lucky, but you can't?
4) Low sec is NOT safer than null, there just aren't any bubbles. However, you do have to worry about roams of frigs and cruisers that are much more abundant in low.
5) How is the cost of ganking in null out of whack? Cause you can't do it in a fully fitted bomber that only cost 30mil at worst?
6) So it's fair that you can kill a 1 bil ship in a 30 mil ship, but it's not fair when you have to do it in a 300mil ship?
7) You said it's safe enough, yet you have been constantly complaining about how unsafe it is...
8) So, it's fair that the NPCs protect you, but not him?
9) L2P
10) Adapt or quit...


Please choose quit so I can have your stuff.