EVE General Discussion

I'm not so sure someone who spends $140 a month to mine with 10 accounts can be called "the little guy".

Couple things

That's a good point about making EVE into an APM thing. That's the greatest potential for improvement: rather than skill for 6 months for a 10-20% improvement, start a second character for a 100% improvement nearly instantly. The load then becomes APM and twitch reaction between clients and all that.

As far as I know, automation banning happens at downtime each day, after automation is detected by the client. The manual "report botter" function hasn't worked in a long time, and it never was so simple as reporting someone anyway--that type of system can be metagamed too easily.

When the key broadcasting ban was announced, for a while I was uneasy about it. But slowly I returned to normal use, and also started incorporating G-key binds again. It wasn't as harsh as I thought it might be. EVE didn't go overboard with the detection parameters. I haven't been out in a week-ish, but unless something changed in the last week, I'm inclined to believe your mate used some form of automation that was detected in the client.

There's still a lot of freedom in the G-key binds. You can record delays between keystrokes, for things like MWD+probes+cloak in a covops... and the way G-keys work, a client has to stay active through the whole sequence. That seems to be the biggest caveat: do what you want, but only on one client at a time.

Of course if I run into issues I'll make some inquiries about resolving some detection problems. At that point you did nothing wrong, it's the client that needs some attention.

My question is, if someone was insane and good enough could their physical movements actually mimic the broadcast functions and fail the algorythm? He pulls tricks like fleet warp and stuff but the rest of it is math based on how many turrents he needs to click in x time etc. So there is a ton of rapid success clicks. MANUAL clicks.

right so let's wave epeens around on semantics.

Point is....should that guy who pays $140 a month be banned without recourse when he, in fact, was not botting using the presribed illegal tools?

His motions are being banned regardless of the tools he used AND THAT IS THE PROBLEM.

so tar and feather the SOB for being an active member of the game playing it wrong?

A simple registry dump should reveal if certain programs are or have ever been part of the machine's install manifest.

right so let's wave epeens around on semantics.

Point is....should that guy who pays $140 a month be banned without recourse when he, in fact, was not botting using the presribed illegal tools?

His motions are being banned AND THAT IS THE PROBLEM.

So, how did he manage to click 10 miners inside 1 second ?

Funny how if its a miner they are so quick to ban. PvP gets broadcasted too...

Couple things

That's a good point about making EVE into an APM thing. That's the greatest potential for improvement: rather than skill for 6 months for a 10-20% improvement, start a second character for a 100% improvement nearly instantly. The load then becomes APM and twitch reaction between clients and all that.

As far as I know, automation banning happens at downtime each day, after automation is detected by the client. The manual "report botter" function hasn't worked in a long time, and it never was so simple as reporting someone anyway--that type of system can be metagamed too easily.

When the key broadcasting ban was announced, for a while I was uneasy about it. But slowly I returned to normal use, and also started incorporating G-key binds again. It wasn't as harsh as I thought it might be. EVE didn't go overboard with the detection parameters. I haven't been out in a week-ish, but unless something changed in the last week, I'm inclined to believe your mate used some form of automation that was detected in the client.

There's still a lot of freedom in the G-key binds. You can record delays between keystrokes, for things like MWD+probes+cloak in a covops... and the way G-keys work, a client has to stay active through the whole sequence. That seems to be the biggest caveat: do what you want, but only on one client at a time.

Of course if I run into issues I'll make some inquiries about resolving some detection problems. At that point you did nothing wrong, it's the client that needs some attention.

You may not use your own or any third-party software, macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play.