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Annemarie Menis
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2015-06-17 00:11:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Annemarie Menis
Hi,

My friend and I are planning to do some low/null roams in two neut prophecies. How is this fit?

It has 100k EHP, 344 m/s and 332 DPS with hammerheads.


[Prophecy, Duo PvP Prophecy]
1600mm Steel Plates II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Damage Control II

Patterned Stasis Web I
Warp Disruptor II
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 400
10MN Afterburner II

50W Infectious Power System Malfunction
50W Infectious Power System Malfunction
Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]

Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I

Hobgoblin II x5
Warrior II x5
Hammerhead II x5
Hammerhead II x5
Medium Armor Maintenance Bot I x5
RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
#2 - 2015-06-17 01:31:16 UTC
Put *something* in those empty high slots.
Can you run remote reps up there?
Annemarie Menis
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2015-06-17 02:11:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Annemarie Menis
Only enough grid for small remote reps, unfortunately. 73 grid remaining, enough for small guns I guess?
Daniela Doran
Doomheim
#4 - 2015-06-17 02:44:44 UTC
Annemarie Menis wrote:
Hi,

My friend and I are planning to do some low/null roams in two neut prophecies. How is this fit?

It has 100k EHP, 344 m/s and 332 DPS with hammerheads.


[Prophecy, Duo PvP Prophecy]
1600mm Steel Plates II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Damage Control II

Patterned Stasis Web I
Warp Disruptor II
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 400
10MN Afterburner II

50W Infectious Power System Malfunction
50W Infectious Power System Malfunction
Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]

Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I

Hobgoblin II x5
Warrior II x5
Hammerhead II x5
Hammerhead II x5
Medium Armor Maintenance Bot I x5


Buffer Prophecy are monsters with remote reps from Guardians. If you don't have remote reps you're gonna need at least a medium ancillary armor booster in a low slot, lose the 3rd ENAM. You also gonna need an independent tackler cause the prophecy is to slow to catch and hold anything down unless it's a BS, so I'd replace the long point for another web or cap booster. And use 800's if you're using a medium cap booster or you can do dual small cap boosters and use 400's. If you are in a pair then 2 medium neuts are enough.
Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2015-06-17 09:58:14 UTC
[Prophecy, I] your second Prophecy should fit dual web.

1600mm Rolled Tungsten Compact Plates
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II x2
Damage Control II
Reactive Armor Hardener
Drone Damage Amplifier II x2

Medium Micro Jump Drive
J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I x2
Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 400

Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I x3
Small Nosferatu II x2

Medium Trimark Armor Pump I x3


Hammerhead II x5
Ogre II x3
Hornet EC-300 x5
Infiltrator EV-600 x5
Acolyte TD-300 x5

"The message is that there are known knowns. There are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say there are things that we now know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know" - CCP
Tung Yoggi
University of Caille
#6 - 2015-06-17 16:29:10 UTC
There are in my opinion three strong fitting options you want to consider when fitting duo prophecies for null sec:

- RR, due to the drones being the main DPS and the bonus to resists.
- MJD, both for defensive and offensive use
- Warp speed rigs to outrun or surprise cruisers

If i were you, i'll consider using at least 2 of these options, RR being the most obvious choice. Plate + ancillary rep + RR could work too. Consider fitting for resists rather than full buffer (specific hardeners / membranes, resist rigs).

As for drones: you have 225m3 and 75 bandwidth, i would have 2 max DPS sets - no geckos, so 2 heavies 2 meds and one small (better than 5 meds in terms of DPS) and possibly one set of 3 short/mid range sentries, which could be replaced by one set of small and one of mediums. Using medium armor bots defeat the purpose of DPSing with your drones.
Try varying damage types, for instance, set 1: 2x Ogre / 2x Hammerhead / 1x Hobgoblin, set 2: 2x Praetors / 2x Infiltrators / 1x Acolyte.
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#7 - 2015-06-17 18:12:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Lloyd Roses
Small A-type RR is quite effective and very affordable. Two small RR rep a decent amount (like 70hp/s) and cost you around 5mil each.

There are whole navy vexor gangs building on those potent little mods. And get a reactive armor hardener (RAH) instead of your third EANM.
Annemarie Menis
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2015-06-17 22:17:15 UTC
Thanks for the help, everyone. I added two small A-type RR to the highs, and switched an EANM out for a reactive armor hardener. No more medium maint bots either.

Regarding max DPS drone sets, would heavy drones even work against frigate targets? I'm not sure how good their tracking is.
Paranoid Loyd
#9 - 2015-06-17 22:23:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
If you can manage to get the web(s) on them then they will work fine. If not just pull them and release small drones.

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Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2015-06-17 23:02:22 UTC
Annemarie Menis wrote:
Thanks for the help, everyone. I added two small A-type RR to the highs, and switched an EANM out for a reactive armor hardener. No more medium maint bots either.

Regarding max DPS drone sets, would heavy drones even work against frigate targets? I'm not sure how good their tracking is.



By the way, how was your experience with dual arbitrators concept? You've been asking same questuons about it. Exactly the same. You and friend decided... Looks like it wasn't that good and you switched to bigger hull with hope of better tank would give you more chances. But you still sounds unexperienced.

"The message is that there are known knowns. There are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say there are things that we now know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know" - CCP
Annemarie Menis
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2015-06-17 23:08:28 UTC
Tiddle Jr wrote:
Annemarie Menis wrote:
Thanks for the help, everyone. I added two small A-type RR to the highs, and switched an EANM out for a reactive armor hardener. No more medium maint bots either.

Regarding max DPS drone sets, would heavy drones even work against frigate targets? I'm not sure how good their tracking is.



By the way, how was your experience with dual arbitrators concept? You've been asking same questuons about it. Exactly the same. You and friend decided... Looks like it wasn't that good and you switched to bigger hull with hope of better tank would give you more chances. But you still sounds unexperienced.


We took a break from the game for a while soon after that idea. When we came back, I was looking at ships and saw the prophecy is a similar ship to the arbitrator, but with better survivability. We decided to try this instead!

So, the results were inconclusive. We didn't end up doing that much with the arbitrators, honestly.