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Doesn't answer my question. Why would lowsec combat be frowned upon when highsec combat isn't?

I have a lot of sympathy with this last comment.

Generally, although Jack isn't guilty of this because I've come across him and his crew more than once in Molden Heath, the 'BOOST LOW SEC' threads are written by alt-spamming gank bears who get a little bored when a gate dries up and decide that L4's need to be moved to low-sec so they can resume the hauler/mission slaughter they assume will follow. Jack's proposal is reasonable and well-presented and so I'm not surprised he's getting support.

Molden Heath was always fine in my experience as is Placid/Genesis and a few other places I've been, sure it has its downtimes but there's action there if youre willing to leave Bos/Osti/Gond/Antem and actually try and do something other than camp 24/7. The sites/rats/missions in low-sec are okay but if we're going to get more commercial traffic from the braver indy player I'd suggest better ores.

For me, outlaws (yes, like myself but I've been on both sides of the pirate divide and will no doubt move once again into + sec at some point) need to adopt a more long-term view of low-sec, a business plan if you like that comes to regard extortion and protection money as viable activities. Farm the bears rather than murder them indiscriminately, the population goes up, other outlaws come to murder your bears, you beat them off with a ****** stick and large neutrons, rinse and repeat.When Molden Heath had 5thC/NMTZ/EM and Infod, MH was as busy as hi-sec at times, with several war-decs and some great fights.

So its as much how we play it as much as CCP make it.

Jack's proposal has some merit but I'd take the sec hit as low as -5 and make it impossible to pod through hi-sec after -5.

All I have to say us "DUH"!!!! +1

I am a relatively new player (4 mo's active) 2 mo's training before I even played.

The first time I discovered I could not go into Low-Sec and try and fight some pirates (less than 0 sec status) without incurring a security status hit I was like "HUH"?????

That made no sense.

This is the only thing keeping me from getting my feet wet in PvP immediately.

I have no desire to be involved in large corps, thus most of 0.0 is out for me. I have a small group of RL friends I play with, and we are all just biding our time, training skills, and making the ISK we need to get on with the things we really want to do.

I simply could not believe that a game that had Piracy as an entire subculture did not have Bounty hunter as well.

Having to get a pod kill to get a Bounty is STUPID. loosing Security Status for killing Pirates is STUPID. If they want to fix Low-sec, this is at least a good start.

I really like the Idea though of Pirates having bounty's on them that you get just for killing their ship, and people that hunt Pirates get Bounty's from NPC corps, both from killing rats, and from killing Player Pirates in their space.

I don't consider myself a huge Role-Player, but I try and play games similarly to how I live my RL. Gate camping seems like the lamest activity I could possibly think of doing. I want to crash the party's of those that like to crash other people's party's, and it seems like Low-Sec doesn't want me to play that way, therefore I carebare away for now.

This might need some tweaking.

But at the moment I like this idea. The notion of having sec-hits only apply to fights on the same grid as sentry guns has some appeal as well.

make it so titans cant bridge into lowsec or use their bridge's in....lowsec fixed

I used to pvp as anti-pirate. There is this one FC who roleplays and I pretty much knew every lowsec roam with him would trash my security status.

Which caused some major issues when it came to wardec time in highsec.

So yes, I support.

Good idea!

From the perspective of someone who lives in null sec, this might make null sec roams also head into low sec. A lot of people in null sec don't like to pvp in low sec because of the sec status hit they take. We have to go to high sec at some point or another, and if we are -10 then we just can't do that.

+1

I'm in doubt.

Although I can see the advantages of some of the OP suggestions.

I have some question.

1) Wouldn't just end up in pirates that flee by jumping in to high sec?

2) wouldn't it kill Faction war why join the millitia and be a target all the time (even in high-sec) for other players while you just can kill at random?


Why not let pirates players connect with some of the pirate factions, for instance ally your self with the Gurita's go kill people sec status lowers as normal, though as one of the greatest meneces of the Caldari, Gelante allow you a safe have in their empire space, they might be a little less happy when you kill Gellante pilots though.

or leave the pirated factions out and just let people sign up as privateer with a safe haven at the empire that gave him his licence.

Then you have your way to enter parts of high-sec and there are still concequenses to pirating, you couold still go pirating the old way as well with the current penalties.

That is rather simple without wrecking other game mechanics, like faction War that gets a large update comming expantion I believe, what might make it hard to get CCP to go with the original idea

as a -10 Pirate, I think this is A GOOD IDEA.

I can't tell you how many people hesitate to join us for low sec PvP with the thought of never going back to hisec. So this would be great to get a lot of people to pew with.

The real pirates could still grab pods, which would make ransoming into a more formal affair, so only the "higher ups" who have high sec alts would point the pod and prepare for ransoming, rather than EVERYONE pointing it and someone always shooting by accident before the ransom is initiated (hate when that happens). Along with this, everyone who shoots without aggression will slowly get a negative sec status, which by your change can thus be shot at without penalty. THEREFORE, everyone in lowsec who shoots at those who are non agressed can have fair PvP, rather than those upstarts that religiously keep their sec status just above -5 so they can't get shot at without penalty but still kill stuff frequently in low sec.

As well, low sec shouldn't prevent frigate warfare. Currently, you can't use them on gates 90% of the time because you will get instapopped, but now, people who actively PvP in lowsec will have a negative sec status, so frigs would be viable to shoot them. I don't see why a shiptype should be blocked off to a large extent, frigate warfare is great fun and this change would make going out in an assault frig gang in search of other negative-seccers an actual valid option for PvP. Not saying it should be possible to camp a high sec gate with interceptors...that would take away the classic HIC pilot fittings needed to point people quickly, which are a great part of low sec.

Moreover, this proposal reinforces a style that does not force people to have multiple accounts just to be able to function. This is good. (only thing is there would still need to be a scout for high sec)

Supported.

This isn't going to 'fix' lowsec. It will make it easier to PvP lowsec - which would fill it with predators feasting on predators; an unnatural sh*t storm that will keep all but PvP players from going to lowsec.
We need to bring all types of pilots to lowsec for many reasons, NOT just PvP.




Precisely! If you want consequence free PvP (regardings sec status) you can go to nullsec, join a war in highsec, become a mercenary, or go to low and only engage flashies.



You and I are on the same page.



And this too! I have been ranting lately that the falloff from .5 to .4 is way too steep when it comes to risk. I beleive there should be some relevant risk from .6 all the way down in varying degrees to .1 - risk of attack from other players, and risk to those agressors as well.

For example, pirates cannot go on a raid into .5 and .6 systems without getting completely demolished by CONCORD as a consequence, but in .4 there are only gate and station turrets to worry about!

If there were roaming NPC naval patrols in .4 the risk of unprovoked attacks on say, miners, could be noteworthy, but perhaps still worth it. Same for .5 sec - perhaps a very minimal CONCORD presence in .5 would bring the shadey types out of low. AND - the power of CONCORD should be put into the hands of real players to some extent. There needs to be player based faction police forces where combat pilots of good standing can patrol .6 to .1 and get paid doing it!

Miners with good empire standing need to be able to transmit a system-wide distress beacon to call in either the NPC or player based patrols (patrols with police licenses). What this would do is add a nice spectrum and variety to the borders of empire space. Especially as police patrols are on the move playing cat and mouse with raiding pirates.

Yahsee - piracy in Eve is starting resemble less and less true piracy. Piracy in RL can be defined as theft on the high seas - translateably in Eve to theft in deep space. There aren't enough soft targets for pirates!

Why can't we make lowsec more like the wild wild west? Yah got treasure seekers, gold diggers, outlaws, sheriffs, gunfighters, train robbers...that's what I want!