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Hi All,

Consider me completely new to PI and even though I am smart guy, PI is so new that I have not learned the ins and outs of everything yet.

Can someone explain a bit more about the calculation above? I am guessing the P1 + X and the P2 + x means that X is some sort of relative cost incurred when making that item? Why is P3 market price have a 7000 subtracted and then all multiplied by 3?

I dont mean to be noobish, but everyone has to learn somewhere and it is my turn to learn.

Thanks

I am just getting into PI and producing some P2 materials for sale, and I am just about to expand into a 1 planet P3 to produce and sell.

If I can get a proper understanding of the whole situation then I would be appreciative.

For example, as Command center costs about 85K on the market. Then it cost me (give or take) just over 10 Mil to get the other structures and upgrades (extractors, processors, CC upgrades, links, and storage).

So next is the tax understanding of moving stuff about (or not in the case of a 1 plant P2 or 1 planet P3)

Thanks everyone.

Import/export tariffs are what those magic numbers of 25 & 7000 are.

The other numbers are the ratio of how many P1/P2 it takes to make P3s.

http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Planetary_Commodities

While I enjoy your work. The OP still seems to fly over your head. It doesn't matter where you start the process. It was at least at the time of writing the original post that the selling price for Mech Parts+Chiral+Toxic in the same amount that you would need to make 1 robotics was still more more expensive than the one robotics. Your actual profit there just came from making the mechanical parts.

Then again it does says eve university by your name

Why are you telling people what I'm doing? And it's few hundred mil of cons e, and mech parts

If you P0-P3 it right now on a factory plant you only play 0.25 isk Import cost witch on my plants thats only 2,000.000 to fill the silo's and that turns into 249 Robotics with Export Tax of 2,241.

The vast majority of the cost is in paying for the P0 Mattes right now at sell order cost no less. Buy orders are always better results. But some times a pain in the ars to get filled.

No, matter how you cut it. Robotics is very underpriced, and I have in the last 2 days gone in with 4 Bil worth of it.

10* MP = 10k P/u = 100K *
10* CE = 8.2k P/u = 82k *

Robotic sell: 78k - Build cost 182k * + Tax

Its underpiced by 1/3 of what its worth. + you got the new patch, tax system.
I dont care if i have to wait 1 year to get 2X+ of what i payed for it, but that I will get it one day.. yes


*Jita 4-4

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Your assumption of 60.67k tariff paid per unit of Robotics is way too high.

First off, nobody exports/imports P0. You always convert to P1 (or P2) before exporting off of the harvest planet. Which reduces your haul volume by 3.94x (P0 to P1) or as much as 16x (120 m3 of P0 to 7.5 m3 of P2). It also helps avoid the tariffs on moving P0 around.

For every unit of P1, they're paying 50-85 ISK/u to bring it to market. If you're buying P1 off the market, you can ignore that export tariff for P1 as it's already baked into the market sell price. Long-term, P1 products will probably stay in the 300-900 price range with an average of maybe 700 ISK/u. Lower then that, and new players in hi-sec won't see it as an interesting income source long-term. When they can make 1.0-1.5M ISK/day per planet in hi-sec, they're very happy. As that drops below 1M/day, they start to let the fields lie fallow and move on to just running missions.

Secondly, you can avoid the P2 import/export tariff entirely by setting up your factory planet to go straight from P1 to P3. If you're producing it yourself, this is a big deal as avoided tariffs means less ISK taken out of your wallet in order to produce the P3. If you're just buying the inputs, then you'll have to look each week/month and decide whether P1->P3 or P2->P3 has a better margin.

(1) unit of Robotics requires (6.667) units of P2 which require (106.7) units of P1 to make. Therefore, the minimum tariff, at 10%, can be as low as: (106.7 * 50) + (106.7 * 25) + 7000 = 15002 ISK/u paid in tariffs per unit of Robotics.

A less efficient setup, where you're exporting P1, doing P2 on its own planet, then making P3 on a third planet:

(106.7 * 50) + (106.7 * 25) + (16 * 900) + (16 * 450) + 7000 = 36602 ISK/u paid in tariffs.

As I've said previously on other threads, going P1 -> P3 TENDS to be better, but isn't always so with the new tax system. Bob has, as always, provided the handy maths so you don't need to do it yourself and a nice explanation for it. I would however advise you to check if P1 -> P3 is better than P2 -> P3 every time you go to restock your materials, which would be around once every 1-4 days depending on how you run your systems.