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Robotics

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trianna Ekanon
The Spawning Pool
#1 - 2011-12-06 18:53:21 UTC
Stop selling it at a loss. Seriously L2Math

If you're producing it from the ground up in high sec you'd be better off just selling your mechanical parts, chiral structures, and toxic metals without bothering with consumer electronics and robo.

KrakizBad
Section 8.
#2 - 2011-12-06 18:59:25 UTC
Buy and relist, make profit? I see no problem here.
David Forge
GameOn Inc.
#3 - 2011-12-06 20:18:18 UTC
Their loss is somebody else's gain. Might as well be mine.
Alisarina
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2011-12-06 22:29:37 UTC
if they are using old product that was made and hoarded before the expansion, they are still selling at a profit, albert not as great as they could be, but they are still making profit.
trianna Ekanon
The Spawning Pool
#5 - 2011-12-06 22:46:55 UTC
Then they're still losing money by running their factories, as in they could be making more not using their factories
Shar Tegral
#6 - 2011-12-06 23:20:02 UTC
trianna Ekanon wrote:
Then they're still losing money by running their factories, as in they could be making more not using their factories

You've no idea what they are doing. Just because someone else's actions make no sense to you does not mean it does not make sense. Coming to the forums and complaining about it just shows how limited your thinking, and options, are.

Like it has been said, if you think the market is under-valued: Buy.

Put your money where your mouth is and just stop whining.
Shizuken
Venerated Stars
#7 - 2011-12-06 23:22:24 UTC
Shar Tegral wrote:


Like it has been said, if you think the market is under-valued: Buy.

Put your money where your mouth is and just stop whining.


I agree with this person.
Adunh Slavy
#8 - 2011-12-06 23:37:45 UTC
What you make in PI is free, sell it to me and I will make sure to give it a good home on the market.

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DrRuby
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2011-12-07 01:52:59 UTC
trianna Ekanon wrote:
Then they're still losing money by running their factories, as in they could be making more not using their factories


Also consider some people use PI as passive income, which tends to use methods that require the least amount of effort which disregards efficiency.
Jarnis McPieksu
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2011-12-07 07:16:36 UTC
Normal market lag, people selling stockpiles they had built pre-tax.

Obvious buy-and-hold trade opportunity is obvious.
Callduron
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#11 - 2011-12-07 08:32:32 UTC
The number used for tax calculations (arguably the floor) for P3 is 70K. According to Eve Central the cheapest Jita sell order in the last 24 hours is 75899.

Possibly a bit rubbish but not quite justifying a learn2math.

I'd guess it's just short term speculators cashing in. Robotics were around 40k not that long ago.

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Uppsy Daisy
State War Academy
Caldari State
#12 - 2011-12-07 09:20:51 UTC
Shar Tegral wrote:
trianna Ekanon wrote:
Then they're still losing money by running their factories, as in they could be making more not using their factories

You've no idea what they are doing. Just because someone else's actions make no sense to you does not mean it does not make sense. Coming to the forums and complaining about it just shows how limited your thinking, and options, are.

Like it has been said, if you think the market is under-valued: Buy.

Put your money where your mouth is and just stop whining.


I hope Shar is coming back for Crucible.

I have missed him on the forums.
Alexander Wellspring
Corporation of Independent Merchants
#13 - 2011-12-07 11:13:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Alexander Wellspring
lot of people has quit robotics manufacturing for lack of profit
they need money for new type of investment
guys cash out their stockpile
other guys look at dropping price
this guys **** their pant and sell too
price drop more
then lot more people quit robotics manufacturing for lack of profit
and they need money for new type of investment too
other guys cash out their stockpile
other other guys look at dropping price
this guys **** their pant even more and sell too
price drop more
we are here
repeat until the offer will be less and price will rize again, or some smart guys put giant buy order

lot of people try to cash out putting sell orders of 0.1 isk higher then buy orders, good guys who try to not mess with the market, it kinda work
Fraa Bjorn
Cell 317
#14 - 2011-12-07 11:17:41 UTC
Callduron wrote:
The number used for tax calculations (arguably the floor) for P3 is 70K.


Yes, and default is that you pay 10% of those 70k i export tax, isn't it?

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Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2011-12-07 15:03:53 UTC
Alexander Wellspring wrote:
lot of people try to cash out putting sell orders of 0.1 isk higher then buy orders, good guys who try to not mess with the market, it kinda work

I think you'll find that the sell orders which are 0.01 above buy orders are the result of someone selling more units to buy orders than number of units the buy order was for, i.e. I have a buy order of 10000 units, someone dumps 12000 into me, 2000 is left on the market as a sell order.

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grazer gin
Raving Rednecks
#16 - 2011-12-07 15:36:22 UTC
If it means you can get cheap robotics buy as much as you can and wait
Callduron
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#17 - 2011-12-07 16:02:05 UTC
Fraa Bjorn wrote:
Callduron wrote:
The number used for tax calculations (arguably the floor) for P3 is 70K.


Yes, and default is that you pay 10% of those 70k i export tax, isn't it?


In High sec it's more than a default it's a constant. (I think the word default normally applies where a setting is adjustable). 7k to export one unit of P3. And Robotics can be produced from a single planet although it would be a horribly inefficient way to do PI. (A more realistic set up might include importing P2s, 20 P2s per 3 Robotics).

In other words if you don't care about your time or the efficiency of your PI setup it's possible to produce Robotics so that you spend 7k on High sec tax and take 63k as profit.

Player-owned customs office have a default setting of 5% but very few people will use that. I set mine to 7.5%. Free is also possible and of course in my case paying tax simply moves money from one of my personal wallet to the corp wallet (from which I can take it back out again).

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I post on reddit as /u/callduron.

Callduron
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#18 - 2011-12-07 16:03:46 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Alexander Wellspring wrote:
lot of people try to cash out putting sell orders of 0.1 isk higher then buy orders, good guys who try to not mess with the market, it kinda work

I think you'll find that the sell orders which are 0.01 above buy orders are the result of someone selling more units to buy orders than number of units the buy order was for, i.e. I have a buy order of 10000 units, someone dumps 12000 into me, 2000 is left on the market as a sell order.


Does it really work like that? Genuine question, I thought you just sold enough to fill the order but I'm always finding out new things about this game.

I write http://stabbedup.blogspot.co.uk/

I post on reddit as /u/callduron.

Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
#19 - 2011-12-07 16:04:21 UTC
Callduron wrote:
The number used for tax calculations (arguably the floor) for P3 is 70K. According to Eve Central the cheapest Jita sell order in the last 24 hours is 75899.


Smart producers will make P3 from P1, because it's often about 10-15% cheaper then making it from P2 due to the new tariffs.
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
#20 - 2011-12-07 16:15:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Scrapyard Bob
P3 profit calculations:

Robotics = 78.4k ISK/u

1) Making it from P2

((P2a price + 450) + (P2b price + 450)) * 10 = input cost
(P3 market price - 7000) * 3 = output net value

Mech Parts = 11.1k ISK/u
Cons Elec = 9.5k ISK/u

((11100 + 450) + (9500 + 450)) * 10 = 215000
(78400 - 7000) * 3 = 214200
Margin = -0.38%

2) Making it from P1, without exporting/importing the P2 intermediate

((P1a price + 25) + (P1b price + 25) + (P1c price + 25) + (P1d price + 25)) * 10 * (40/5) = input cost
(P3 market price - 7000) * 3 = output net value

Chiral Struct = 688
Precious Metals = 607
React Metals = 369
Toxic Metals = 431

((688+607+369+431)+(4*25)) * 10 * (40/5) = 175600
(78400 - 7000) * 3 = 214200
Margin: +22.0%
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