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Next step out of the Sandbox from ex Erotica1 minions.

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La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#101 - 2015-06-14 19:57:55 UTC  |  Edited by: La Rynx
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
lost packet wrote:
If the guy had layed out real money, then lost it in a situation like this, that should be returnable under EULA because that is kind of real life grief and cause real life issues (especially if married :P).
As others have said it depends on the situation. If a scammer encourages the victim to buy PLEX then that's a nono as far as I know; anything other than that is fair game because a PLEX has no monetary worth after it's been redeemed and becomes a game item to which the normal scam rules apply.


Again which rules apply, is decided by CCP. And actions you take that might go into the media will reflect badly on CCP and EvE might call for a ban hammer.

CCP might see a difference when not a corps but a single person is affected. Also its very st-u-pid to boast like that and put the recordings of a private(!) chat onto soundcloud. There are enough reasons to pick to sanctify the bans.

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Next step out of the Sandbox from ex Erotica1 minions.

by the way: was that pun intended?
Cool

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Agata Matahari
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#102 - 2015-06-14 20:16:01 UTC
That scam is nothing different from eroticas bonus room. Those idiots obviously didn't learn ccp's lesson. the moment they stepped out of the sandbox as lynx said it, was boasting about it on en24 and posting audiofiles of dragging the victim through the mud, ruining his reputation because scammers seem to compensate their inferiority complexes with that. they should be banned.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#103 - 2015-06-14 20:30:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
La Rynx wrote:
Again which rules apply, is decided by CCP. And actions you take that might go into the media will reflect badly on CCP and EvE might call for a ban hammer.
The same could be said of pretty much anything that crosses a GMs desk, I'm merely pointing out the general guidelines as I understand them.

The ban hammer is a given depending on how bad the press is, the precedent was set when Kugu got banned and reinforced somewhat when Erotica got banned.

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CCP might see a difference when not a corps but a single person is affected. Also its very st-u-pid to boast like that and put the recordings of a private(!) chat onto soundcloud.
It's a pretty standard scam and it's one that's existed for years in Eve, as the old adage goes : A fool and his money are soon parted.

The recordings while distastful aren't private by any means, it's pretty common knowledge that anything you say or write in Eve to another person can and will often be used against you; as such you shouldn't have any expectation of privacy as per the EULA

EULA wrote:
7. PRIVACY AND USE OF PERSONAL INFORMATION
A. Communications

Except for certain information in your Account (discussed below), all transmissions by you to the System are not private. You acknowledge and agree that you have no expectation of privacy regarding communications you make in the Game, whether through private in-Game messaging, during chat, or in chat rooms.
You'll probably find most voice/text chat software has similar boilerplate contained in the EULA.

There is no way for CCP to enforce privacy on ingame or external communications so IMHO it makes sense to apply this clause to all communications that involve other players and game activity.

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There are enough reasons to pick to sanctify the bans.
That's not for you or I to say, that is entirely down to CCP.

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V1P3RR
Amarr Empire
#104 - 2015-06-14 21:48:14 UTC
Agata Matahari wrote:
That scam is nothing different from eroticas bonus room. Those idiots obviously didn't learn ccp's lesson. the moment they stepped out of the sandbox as lynx said it, was boasting about it on en24 and posting audiofiles of dragging the victim through the mud, ruining his reputation because scammers seem to compensate their inferiority complexes with that. they should be banned.


mandatory " WoW is that way --->" line....
La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#105 - 2015-06-14 22:13:02 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
La Rynx wrote:
Again which rules apply, is decided by CCP.



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There are enough reasons to pick to sanctify the bans.
That's not for you or I to say, that is entirely down to CCP.


oh look, i started with this notion...
so whats the point of throwing around parts of the EULA.
O and by the way, i think the victim was not told that the conversation would be recorded and may be considered private, despite any excuse you are grabbing for. those i-d-i-o-t-s wanted to brag and where fishing for applause but got kicked out of eve instead. this makes this unintendend pun absolutly hilarious.
Furthermore, please notice, that i already agreed, that this was a normal scam, just not a great one.
Moreso please notice, that no rippard tegg is needed to get CCP to ban people and rippard tegg has never been the reason for those bans. accusing tegg was always just the try to put blame on someone else than the perp.

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TheInternet TweepsOnline TheInternet
Everyone But Me Is A Bot
Assistance Group
#106 - 2015-06-14 22:20:35 UTC
La Rynx wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
La Rynx wrote:
Again which rules apply, is decided by CCP.



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There are enough reasons to pick to sanctify the bans.
That's not for you or I to say, that is entirely down to CCP.


oh look, i started with this notion...
so whats the point of throwing around parts of the EULA.
O and by the way, i think the victim was not told that the conversation would be recorded and may be considered private, despite any excuse you are grabbing for. those i-d-i-o-t-s wanted to brag and where fishing for applause but got kicked out of eve instead. this makes this unintendend pun absolutly hilarious.
Furthermore, please notice, that i already agreed, that this was a normal scam, just not a great one.
Moreso please notice, that no rippard tegg is needed to get CCP to ban people and rippard tegg has never been the reason for those bans. accusing tegg was always just the try to put blame on someone else than the perp.


Nobody is sure why Kaalatas was banned. Everything else is speculation. I should note that none of the many other people involved in this scam were banned. It is quite perplexing. If you pretend otherwise, you are either quite uniformed or disingenuous.
Commander Spurty
#107 - 2015-06-14 22:38:27 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:

I love this ****, Need to check this out later today, erotica 1 soundcloud scams are my alltime favourites (last year that guy who started screaming so loud)... this is pure evil


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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#108 - 2015-06-14 22:44:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
La Rynx wrote:
oh look, i started with this notion...
so whats the point of throwing around parts of the EULA.
You brought up the matter of privacy, not me.

The EULA quote is entirely relevant to that part of your post; and as I pointed out you'll probably find very similar boilerplate in the EULA of things like TS and Mumble, which are both common OoG communications methods.

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O and by the way, i think the victim was not told that the conversation would be recorded and may be considered private, despite any excuse you are grabbing for.
Regardless of what the victim was told, it's Eve related, and with Eve's reputation for such shenanigans he should have known there was a good chance it was being recorded. There's no shortage of examples of things like this being recorded and published for public consumption; they occasionally make the headlines too.

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those i-d-i-o-t-s wanted to brag and where fishing for applause but got kicked out of eve instead. this makes this unintendend pun absolutly hilarious.
That has yet to be determined, a suspension pending investigation is not a ban; and the other players involved in this operation still appear to be with us.

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Furthermore, please notice, that i already agreed, that this was a normal scam, just not a great one.
Moreso please notice, that no rippard tegg is needed to get CCP to ban people and rippard tegg has never been the reason for those bans. accusing tegg was always just the try to put blame on someone else than the perp.
Did I mention Ripard Teg?

Nope, but now you mention it..

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Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#109 - 2015-06-14 22:44:32 UTC
TheInternet TweepsOnline TheInternet wrote:


Nobody is sure why Kaalatas was banned. Everything else is speculation. I should note that none of the many other people involved in this scam were banned. It is quite perplexing. If you pretend otherwise, you are either quite uniformed or disingenuous.


That's pretty simple isn't it?

A few guys had some fun over another guy. Everything went smooth and gentle until one of them decided (or it was collective descicion) to make that case popular and it was thrown onto news portal. So after that we had a honest comuunity reaction from - "<3" to "die bastards"! EULA doesn't cover "a scam" portion, at least i didn't find it there saying it is offcicial and legal.

So one fo those guys banned now, and he was banned for a reason which CCP defined valid and strong enough to proceed with such penalty. More to come.

"The message is that there are known knowns. There are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say there are things that we now know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know" - CCP

Eli Apol
Definitely a nullsec alt
#110 - 2015-06-15 02:34:22 UTC
Scam seems legit, well thought out and executed.

As for the crowing afterwards via an out of game website with out of game recordings it's just nasty and something I couldn't actually bring myself to listen to although I'm sure some people got some kicks out of it.

There is such a thing as a bad winner.

but what would I know, I'm just a salvager

La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#111 - 2015-06-15 09:08:29 UTC
TheInternet TweepsOnline TheInternet wrote:

Nobody is sure why Kaalatas was banned. Everything else is speculation. I should note that none of the many other people involved in this scam were banned. It is quite perplexing. If you pretend otherwise, you are either quite uniformed or disingenuous.


I simply do not care.
I do not speculate either.
There where enough reasons to pick for CCP.
CCP found one to --> investigate!
If its perma might to be proven, if someone would care.
Which i do not.
So i am not perplexed.

I am just having a big time seeing how this pathetic stunt backfired.

Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
You brought up the matter of privacy, not me.

The EULA quote is entirely relevant to that part of your post;


No it is just one of other possible reasons for CCP to investigate.
I do not want to discuss about EULAs, thats all.

Than again you start with EULAS.
As is said, the victim did not need to assume that those conversations would be published in this way.
EULA?
remember? i do not care!

And no you did not mention Ripard Teg, i did!
I think "why" should be clear if one reads my Postings seriously.

Roll
You really hope(think) i would ever click a link of yours again?
lol
Twisted
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March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#112 - 2015-06-15 10:00:25 UTC
Renegade Heart wrote:
March rabbit wrote:
they get paid for it


So did these dudes.
...
GJ on the scam Big smile

No problems here.

DId they have 'payed client' for every scam they did?

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March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#113 - 2015-06-15 10:09:12 UTC
Nicolai Serkanner wrote:
March rabbit wrote:
Nicolai Serkanner wrote:
Stacy Lone wrote:
I'm still convinced the behavior we show in games were no boundaries inhibit us reflects who we would truly be if such boundaries did not exist irl),


How do you feel about actors playing a role?

they get paid for it


And how is that relevant?

For kids:
Actor impersonates some person to create enjoyment for other people. He does his stuff in movie/series/ets to other actor who impersonates another person. In result all actions stay in movie. Plus actors get paid for their service.
In simple words actors is just another profession.

Now try to think why did you bring actors here?

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CCP Falcon
#114 - 2015-06-15 11:17:50 UTC
Don't discuss warnings and bans on the forums.

Also, any further trolling, and this thread will be closed.

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Mag's
Azn Empire
#115 - 2015-06-15 11:26:21 UTC
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
Lucy Lopez wrote:
Maybe I'm just not the 'right' type of player for EVE Online, but I get no enjoyment or satisfaction at all from listening to these Teamspeak conversations of people getting screwed over. Grats, you scammed someone, but do you have to be a **** about it? I bet the guys who pulled this off would say "it's just a game" etc etc, but when you record Teamspeak conversations and upload them to Soundcloud for people to laugh at you're taking things way more serious than people who actually think of EVE as "just a game".


Actually, most of the baddies posting in here are of a relatively shared opinion on the matter. It was a great scam, nice payoff, well done. The recordings and the video however were in poor taste.
Agreed.

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The Slayer
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#116 - 2015-06-15 11:52:28 UTC  |  Edited by: The Slayer
What these guys did is nothing different that 100 people have done before them. Erotica and his cronies are, as far as I know, the only people ever to be outright banned for it, and thats because they crossed the line from simple trolling into out and out psychological torture. Hell one of the first pieces of media I EVER saw online for EVE was a very famous video with some guys from m0o trolling a miner on Teamspeak after blowing him up. It was, quite frankly, hilarious. And I don't see why we have a distinction between posting salty in game chat and posting salty voice recordings. Both are the scam victims actual feelings and words on the matter.

If people can get banned for a straight up regular scam now then RIP EVE, its been a blast.
The Slayer
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#117 - 2015-06-15 11:58:02 UTC
Hell now that I'm thinking of it :

IMO the most successful (in terms of capturing the feeling of EVE at least) ads for the game was the recent one containing teamspeak recordings. So is CCP saying "we're happy for teamspeak to be released from our players, but only if its people being HAPPY"?

Its fine if its for an advert but not if its for entertainment?
Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#118 - 2015-06-15 12:15:01 UTC
The Slayer wrote:
Hell now that I'm thinking of it :

IMO the most successful (in terms of capturing the feeling of EVE at least) ads for the game was the recent one containing teamspeak recordings. So is CCP saying "we're happy for teamspeak to be released from our players, but only if its people being HAPPY"?

Its fine if its for an advert but not if its for entertainment?


There is a board where adverst finish and entertainment starts. So answering your question - Yes it is.

"The message is that there are known knowns. There are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say there are things that we now know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know" - CCP

Rat Scout
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#119 - 2015-06-15 13:00:17 UTC
Kaalatas gets banned on purpouse,

Every other character is fabricating the rest of the story, player donations rool in to the victim.

x

profit?
Bed Bugg
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#120 - 2015-06-15 16:57:37 UTC
The Slayer wrote:
Hell now that I'm thinking of it :

IMO the most successful (in terms of capturing the feeling of EVE at least) ads for the game was the recent one containing teamspeak recordings. So is CCP saying "we're happy for teamspeak to be released from our players, but only if its people being HAPPY"?

Its fine if its for an advert but not if its for entertainment?


Falcon said to knock off the trolling.